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Old 08-18-2009   #21
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Sick of the TJ bashing. He's a Texan, deal with it. Its a huge year for him contract-wise as well as career wise. The FO as well as Kubiak believes he can contribute this year otherwise he'd be on the street. He's NOT Casey Hampton nor Jamal Williams nor Shaun Rogers nor whatever Pro Bowl caliber NT you wanna throw out there. He's not the super DT we all expected when he was a 1st round pick yes. But he can contribute to this team in some capacity if he gets his health right.
If you're sick of it, don't read it. I mean give me a freaking break with the "He's a Texan, deal with it" crap. David Carr was a Texan too and I dealt with that for as long as I could also. I'm not going to baby some lazy bum who makes millions of dollars and carries a "don't give a shit until it's my contract year" attitude....deal with that. The guy is a bust so get over it.....and as far as Kubiak thinking TJ can contribute on this team, he had some hard words for him before camp even started. I doubt he even thinks about Travis Johnson anymore and I doubt TJ even makes this team.

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In the game, I thought it was Demeco and Adibi in the middle positions.
Adibi was the one that I was forgetting. I knew I was forgetting someone else! I think Adibi was out for a practice or two and Diles came in? Doesn't matter. I don't think it'll be Cushing doing too much patrolling in a 5-2 unless he himself is on the line in the 4-3 Under or 5-2.
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Travis Johnson IS worthless. Seriously, how the heck are you going to constantly bash Dunta and then try to defend Travis Johnson LOL, that guy is a bum.
Is it bashing Dunta to say that he's not a top 5 corner? 'cause that's all I've ever said.

I'm not saying that TJ is anything but avg... Like Dunta, he's the best we've had at that particular position.

We've seen TJ get more snaps during the regular season at DT, than anyone else on our team..... so I've got to believe Kubiak feels the same way.

This TC, is the first time that anyone has been offered as an alternative to Travis Johnson starting at NT. I like what I saw from DelJuan Robinson & Frank Okam for that matter at the NT position, against a 2-14 team.

I'm honestly saying I don't know if it's the "new" scheme, the new coach, or just better players.

I'm open to either, & I won't have a problem saying that DelJuan is a better option at NT than TJ, if it proves to be the case.

Right now, everybody is all about how DelJuan "outplayed" TJ, but DelJuan has not played the NT position during the regular season.
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If you're sick of it, don't read it. I mean give me a freaking break with the "He's a Texan, deal with it" crap. David Carr was a Texan too and I dealt with that for as long as I could also. I'm not going to baby some lazy bum who makes millions of dollars and carries a "don't give a shit until it's my contract year" attitude....deal with that. The guy is a bust so get over it.....and as far as Kubiak thinking TJ can contribute on this team, he had some hard words for him before camp even started. I doubt he even thinks about Travis Johnson anymore and I doubt TJ even makes this team.
All the whining and pouting over TJ and other Texans 1st round busts is just obnoxious and reminds me of Cubs fans. UGH.

It took a season (w/ the new regime) to determine Carr did not have worth to this team. TJ has been with this regime for 3 going on 4 seasons and he's still here. If he was a worthless lazy bum as you say he would not be on the roster. The Texans' football people in charge of determining these things disagree with you. We'll see how they feel when the roster is trimmed to 53.
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All the whining and pouting over TJ and other Texans 1st round busts is just obnoxious and reminds me of Cubs fans. UGH.
UGH, this is a Texans message board is it not? Where people discuss the team and the roster of the team (especially during the offseason). Travis Johnson deserves the criticism, if you can't handle it you might want to find something else to do. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with "Cub fans", that was a reach at best.



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It took a season (w/ the new regime) to determine Carr did not have worth to this team. TJ has been with this regime for 3 going on 4 seasons and he's still here..
And what does that have to do with McNair hiring Kubiak under the guidelines that he could "fix David Carr"? Take that up with McNair not me....again apples to oranges and another reach...a bust a DT isn't even close to management trying to save face of a bust with a #1 ovrl QB. The QB will ALWAYS get more leeway. You can't make the club from the tub, especially when the blob sitting in the tub was a lazy, don't give a crap, slacker even when he was healthy.

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If he was a worthless lazy bum as you say he would not be on the roster.
Last I checked we haven't even had roster cuts yet.... wake me up when we trim down to 53.


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The Texans' football people in charge of determining these things disagree with you. We'll see how they feel when the roster is trimmed to 53.

I swear I've heard something like this before.......I believe it involved a thread about Chris Myers before the draft. It's funny how you're able to make predictions, but anytime anybody else does, they get the "The Texans' football people disagree with you" line :rolleyes. I mean I get it, you want to be a "homer" and that's fine and dandy, but don't attack other people when they try to discuss what's really going on.

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Is it bashing Dunta to say that he's not a top 5 corner? 'cause that's all I've ever said.
I'm pretty sure you've sad alot more than that, because nobody here would disagree with what you just typed above.

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I'm not saying that TJ is anything but avg... Like Dunta, he's the best we've had at that particular position.
That is debatable....Deljuan was better last season.

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We've seen TJ get more snaps during the regular season at DT, than anyone else on our team..... so I've got to believe Kubiak feels the same way.
Oh come on LMAO, are you really going to play that card? We all know that has more to do with his draft position/cap hit than anything else on this team. Flip draft positions with Deljuan and TJ....does TJ even start last year? Is TJ even on the team anymore. BTW you don't even have to answer that question LOL.

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This TC, is the first time that anyone has been offered as an alternative to Travis Johnson starting at NT. I like what I saw from DelJuan Robinson & Frank Okam for that matter at the NT position, against a 2-14 team.
DelJaun was better last year, but like Kevin Walter he had to earn the starting spot and this year I think he has it.

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I'm open to either, & I won't have a problem saying that DelJuan is a better option at NT than TJ, if it proves to be the case.

Right now, everybody is all about how DelJuan "outplayed" TJ, but DelJuan has not played the NT position during the regular season.
Well that's great, because Robinson is better and I hope he's rewarded over the fat slacker. BTW I watched alot of Lions games up north. Not only is DelJuan better, so is Shaun Cody. He basically gives you the same exact thin TJ does (actually if he started as many games as TJ, he'd probably give you more), except he's healthy right now.

Like I said, TJ is my surprise cut this year, but honestly....would it even be a surprise at this point?

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And what does that have to do with McNair hiring Kubiak under the guidelines that he could "fix David Carr"? Take that up with McNair not me....again apples to oranges and another reach...a bust a DT isn't even close to management trying to save face of a bust with a #1 ovrl QB. The QB will ALWAYS get more leeway. You can't make the club from the tub, especially when the blob sitting in the tub was a lazy, don't give a crap, slacker even when he was healthy.
If what you're saying is true, "QB will ALWAYS get more leeway." TJ should have been gone before Carr, if he's as bad as you say.
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Last I checked we haven't even had roster cuts yet.... wake me up when we trim down to 53.
We've already had three roster cuts..... 2006, 2007, 2008. In that time, we've lost Robaire Smith, Seth Payne, Anthony Maddox, Anthony Weaver, Jason Babin, Several DTs that came through camp, and haven't made the team.

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I'm pretty sure you've sad alot more than that, because nobody here would disagree with what you just typed above.
No, that's pretty much all I've said. It just looks different coming from me.
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That is debatable....Deljuan was better last season.
How can you say that, when they didn't play the same position? Del Juan outplayed Amobi last season..... he should be challenging for that spot.
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Oh come on LMAO, are you really going to play that card? We all know that has more to do with his draft position/cap hit than anything else on this team. Flip draft positions with Deljuan and TJ....does TJ even start last year? Is TJ even on the team anymore. BTW you don't even have to answer that question LOL.
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DelJaun was better last year, but like Kevin Walter he had to earn the starting spot and this year I think he has it.
You don't even know that TJ & Del Juan played different positions....
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If what you're saying is true, "QB will ALWAYS get more leeway." TJ should have been gone before Carr, if he's as bad as you say.
Umm LOL, what kind of math are you working with? David Carr played FIVE full seasons here. When we got rid of him, TJ just finished his second season with us. Seriously what you just typed made zero sense.

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We've already had three roster cuts..... 2006, 2007, 2008. In that time, we've lost Robaire Smith, Seth Payne, Anthony Maddox, Anthony Weaver, Jason Babin, Several DTs that came through camp, and haven't made the team.
Yes we've had three roster cuts, but most of those injured players will be added back to our IR once they clear waivers.....it's why they were cut in the first place. And as far as the other players you listed, I'm not talking about salary cap casualties (which is what most of those players were). We haven't had serious cut downs yet, those will start very soon.


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No, that's pretty much all I've said. It just looks different coming from me.
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How can you say that, when they didn't play the same position? Del Juan outplayed Amobi last season..... he should be challenging for that spot.
LMAO, we all know TJ isn't a true NT....that's one of the problems here and one of the reasons why I keep laughing at you for acting like he's a NT. you can switch him to the other DT position and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

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What??

You don't even know that TJ & Del Juan played different positions....
I know what positions our DTs play on this team, TJ played NT, because we drafted Amobi........that doesn't make him a true NT. If they plugged in DelJuan he would be even better at it....because he actually gives a damn and has a high motor. DelJaun CAN play every position on the line BETTER than Travis...he's simply a BETTER play. Travis Johnson simply doesn't give a crap...well until it was his contract year. Too bad the horrible shape he keeps himself in probably helped cause his current injury.
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Before this gets anymore confusing with all the quoting Ima say this:

Carr Bombed - Nothing personal brah, just sayin, the whining over our 1st round busts is old especially when it comes to TJ. He's a bust, that aint breaking news. Its not even news worth harping on. Yeah its a Texans board but I expect more from Houston fans than whiney Chicago Cubs fans who lament EVERY negative thing in their history as if there's a conspiring force to keep them unhappy. The NFL is a cut-throat business where guys who don't produce get cut. You're acting like TJ is Jordan Black. He is contributing SOMETHING or he wouldn't be here.
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Before this gets anymore confusing with all the quoting Ima say this:

Carr Bombed - Nothing personal brah, just sayin, the whining over our 1st round busts is old especially when it comes to TJ. He's a bust, that aint breaking news. Its not even news worth harping on. Yeah its a Texans board but I expect more from Houston fans than whiney Chicago Cubs fans who lament EVERY negative thing in their history as if there's a conspiring force to keep them unhappy. The NFL is a cut-throat business where guys who don't produce get cut. You're acting like TJ is Jordan Black. He is contributing SOMETHING or he wouldn't be here.
Travis Johnson is still on the team....it's still relevent to talk about him, that's why I was talking about him. I'm not talking about Jordan Black and the only reason why I even brought up David Carr is, because you told me "Travis Johnson is a Texan, deal with it." I don't even really talk about Carr, because I chalked him up to a lost cause a long time ago.....much like I'm chalking up TJ right now, but like Carr, I think we need to cut bait already and move on. I gave him the benefit of the doubt before, much like I'm going to give Amobi the same this year....I'm pretty patient with our 1st round picks.

The TJ experiement is over...he sucks, cut him and move on. I'm tired of watching UDFAs and journeymen like DelJaun and Anthony Maddox outplay him. (anybody remember him? He's out of the league right now, but the sad thing is, when he was here he BLATANTLY outplayed our starter/hopefully former starter.....which is completely sad. I'd MUCH rather have a "Anthony Maddox type player" on this roster than a Travis "oh well I'm getting paid either way" Johnson type of player.)

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I think I might've mentioned this a few times. I don't think TJ is worth the spot he was drafted, but he isn't as bad as some make him out to be. Personally, I'd like to see him play for the Texans this season. He probably won't earn his starting role back, but he could be a decent part of our rotation.

In the end, the dude needs to get his butt on the field ASAP. Otherwise, he's going to lose out due to injury.
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I think I might've mentioned this a few times. I don't think TJ is worth the spot he was drafted, but he isn't as bad as some make him out to be. Personally, I'd like to see him play for the Texans this season. He probably won't earn his starting role back, but he could be a decent part of our rotation.

In the end, the dude needs to get his butt on the field ASAP. Otherwise, he's going to lose out due to injury.
I'd rather have Shaun Cody take that backup spot in the rotation, who's a better player.
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I'd rather have Shaun Cody take that backup spot in the rotation, who's a better player.
A better player? I don't think so. You say TJ hasn't done squat, but realistically, he's done more than Cody has in every stat since they both came out in 05. Cody couldn't win the starting job in Detroit.

I know you don't like TJ, but saying Cody is presently the better player is just flat out wrong.
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A better player? I don't think so. You say TJ hasn't done squat, but realistically, he's done more than Cody has in every stat since they both came out in 05. Cody couldn't win the starting job in Detroit.

I know you don't like TJ, but saying Cody is presently the better player is just flat out wrong.
No it's not, I've seen both players play and Cody is a better player....he's pretty decent against the run. Despite Detroit sucking over the years they've actually had good tackles and Cody IS Travis Johnson with health which is why I'd easily take Cody over him. TJ probably would've struggled to break through in Detroit as well. If two players are basically the same.....I'm taking the healthy one every day. How the hell is saying Cody is "presently" the better player flat out wrong when Cody is actually contributing to the team and TJ isn't doing jack crap? Sorry, but "presently" Cody IS the better player.

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No it's not, I've seen both players play and Cody is a better player....he's pretty decent against the run. Despite Detroit sucking over the years they've actually had good tackles and Cody IS Travis Johnson with health which is why I'd easily take Cody over him. TJ probably would've struggled to break through in Detroit as well. If two players are basically the same.....I'm taking the healthy one every day. How the hell is saying Cody is "presently" the better player flat out wrong when Cody is actually contributing to the team and TJ isn't doing jack crap? Sorry, but "presently" Cody IS the better player.
Agree to disagree and all that jazz.
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Too little of a sample and too early to grade, I'll skip!
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No it's not, I've seen both players play and Cody is a better player....he's pretty decent against the run. Despite Detroit sucking over the years they've actually had good tackles and Cody IS Travis Johnson with health which is why I'd easily take Cody over him. TJ probably would've struggled to break through in Detroit as well. If two players are basically the same.....I'm taking the healthy one every day. How the hell is saying Cody is "presently" the better player flat out wrong when Cody is actually contributing to the team and TJ isn't doing jack crap? Sorry, but "presently" Cody IS the better player.
4 seasons:
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They will both contribute in the rotation.
We'll see who can come out with a better season, each in a different role.
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Fair question. Inquiring minds want to know. Smith did okay. I think he played - for the few snaps the 1st team D played - better than Amobi. I think the scorekeeps gave his only tackle to someone else.

I will say this; I'm not sold on the idea that Smith needs to move inside on passing downs. I like stout guys at DT and Okam showed he can get push up the middle on passing downs. Why not leave him (Smith) at DE?
Okam isn't about to be worth anything. The guy is soft and lazy. I've got no problem moving Smith inside, because it seemed to work pretty well last season when the cards used him that way.
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Before this gets anymore confusing with all the quoting Ima say this:

Carr Bombed - Nothing personal brah, just sayin, the whining over our 1st round busts is old especially when it comes to TJ. He's a bust, that aint breaking news. Its not even news worth harping on. Yeah its a Texans board but I expect more from Houston fans than whiney Chicago Cubs fans who lament EVERY negative thing in their history as if there's a conspiring force to keep them unhappy. The NFL is a cut-throat business where guys who don't produce get cut. You're acting like TJ is Jordan Black. He is contributing SOMETHING or he wouldn't be here.
I don't see what's wrong with CB pointing out the truth if that's what it is. TJ has been a total bust and every year people seem to try and talk about him as if he's about to finally turn it around. It is sort of a waste of optimism with him at this point.
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