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Old 08-12-2009   #181
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This Dunta thing is getting boring and repetitive. Can we go back to the name calling and insults?
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This Dunta thing is getting boring and repetitive. Can we go back to the name calling and insults?
Sure why not.


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That's why you make him reach certain incentives.

Then if he reaches those incentives you atleast got a hell of a year out of him.

Two teams that have consitently fielded good to great teams have done this and had their players walk "with no compensation".

But to me that doesn't even make sense because you can only franchise him twice anyways. Eventually he'll walk "with no compensation" anyways.
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http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2..._the.html#more

Only five players have been given this clause:

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Shaun Alexander. 3 Pro Bowls, 1 NFL MVP, 1 Super Bowl Appearance. Seahawks agreed not to franchise him a second time, and then he signed a long term deal, got paid, is no longer in the league.

Nate Clements. 1 Pro Bowl. Bills agreed not to franchise him a second time, and then he bolted to the 49ers to be temporarily the highest paid defensive player in the NFL.

Asante Samuel. 2 Pro Bowls, 2 Super Bowl wins. Patriots agreed not to franchise him a second time, and then he bolted to the Eagles after he won a SB first.

Lance Briggs. 4 Pro Bowls, one Super Bowl appearance. Bears agreed not to franchise him a second time, and then after the season signed a long term contract with the Bears.

Albert Haynesworth. 2 Pro Bowl/All Pro Selections. Titans agreed not to franchise him a second time, and Haynesworth bolted to the Redskins so fast that tampering was alleged.
And Dunta is not in this club, 0 playoffs, 0 pro bowls.
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Late to the party but I'll just add. Just shut up and play. Lifes hard I know when you make millions playing or in this case acting like a top 5 CB.
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Two points I want to make:

1. Anyone that just wants to throw down big $ to keep DR should look at the situation that Indy has with Bob Sanders. Like DR, Sanders plays like a wild man. Since signing his contract($20 mill guaranteed) Bob has played in 6/17 games. He has recurrung knee injuries for years. Now, in preseason, Sanders is going to visit with Dr. james Andres. Never a good sign.

2. DR is not good enough to get the no second year franchise guarantee. SAs has been pointed out, those players that got that deal were multiple time probowlers or league MVPs. DR is not in that class of player. When an organization agrees to that stipulation, then it sends a message to every other player in the locker room. Players like Mario, Meco, and Daniels, who i think ARE better at their position than DR is will want that same treatment. They will point to the fact that we acquiesced with DR and he is not their caliber of player.

So, I say DR does not deserve this stipulation and it should not be given to him.
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1. Anyone that just wants to throw down big $ to keep DR should look at the situation that Indy has with Bob Sanders. Like DR, Sanders plays like a wild man. Since signing his contract($20 mill guaranteed) Bob has played in 6/17 games. He has recurrung knee injuries for years. Now, in preseason, Sanders is going to visit with Dr. james Andres. Never a good sign.
Hmmmm. Apparently Rick Smith is one of these "anyones" given the nature of his rumored long term offer and his willingness to pay Dunta $20M+ for two years work if he franchises him twice...
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Hmmmm. Apparently Rick Smith is one of these "anyones" given the nature of his rumored long term offer and his willingness to pay Dunta $20M+ for two years work if he franchises him twice...
Hmmmmm. Seems some folks are writing checks before the price is announced.

No one has said Rick Smith is going to slap the tag on DR after this season. If
DR has a bad year then let him walk. However, if Dunta finally makes it to the Pro Bowl this year, Smith should have the tag option if needed.

That's the real point.

Do you give Rick Smith the tools needed to do his job or don't you?
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Hmmmm. Apparently Rick Smith is one of these "anyones" given the nature of his rumored long term offer and his willingness to pay Dunta $20M+ for two years work if he franchises him twice...
Hmmmmm. Seems some folks are writing checks before the price is announced.
As I said, IF he franchises him twice it'll be twenty million. That's the price, and Smith is reserving the right to pay it if he so chooses.
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As I said, IF he franchises him twice it'll be twenty million. That's the price.
that's not true. the price would be almost $12 million... franchising a player for a second consecutive time is a 20% increase from their salary the previous season. This year's franchise tag is almost $10 million...

If you are trying to make the point that two franchise tags are equal to a contract with $20 million guaranteed, that is a very bogus argument. If a player signs a deal with a $20 million signing bonus over about 5 years, the reality is that the team will also be on the hook for the salary of those first 3 seasons, at least. In addition, the Texans have the option of with the franchise tag of letting him walk after the season if they don't think he's worth retaining at that price. The reason for the predicament is that Dunta had a serious injury in '07 that he hasn't shown to be fully recovered from. Also, he hasn't played at a consistently high level for more than one season at a time. It makes total sense that the Texans are reluctant to commit top money to that type of player- particularly since they have lots of other important contracts coming do the next 2 years.

For fans and I believe for the Texan organization, the main issue isn't the out of pocket expense that McNair will incur but the salary cap ramifications of the deal.
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If the the Texans franchise Dunta two years in a row they'll pay him over $20,000,000 for those two years (barring a sign and trade, where another team is on the hook for that money or a new contract). Twist it any way you like, that is a fact.

Do they have to franchise him the second year? No. Does that change the validity of the first statement? No.

The cost of a hypothetical five year contract does not change the validity of the first statement either.

Seems like people are arguing the first statement just for argument's sake.
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Hmmmmm. Seems some folks are writing checks before the price is announced.

No one has said Rick Smith is going to slap the tag on DR after this season. If
DR has a bad year then let him walk. However, if Dunta finally makes it to the Pro Bowl this year, Smith should have the tag option if needed.

That's the real point.

Do you give Rick Smith the tools needed to do his job or don't you?
Smith has wisely put the team in the driver seat. For now he can wait and see how the other candidates perform. Bennett should be a starter and had a pretty decent season last year and imo will start on one side. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...playerId=10566 and
coach pleased by his progress http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6566681.html and

nice pick against AJ http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6565534.html

I think Quinn will be another Bennett in his rookie year and be fine on other side. If not Deltha Oneal should be able to hold position until Reeves returns. This is scenario only if DR holds out into regular season & I do not think he will. As a last resort, Wilson could move to CB as Barber is looking very good. We have gone with "Left & Right safeties" before and can again, especially with the new pass rushing Dline.
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If the the Texans franchise Dunta two years in a row they'll pay him over $20,000,000 for those two years (barring a sign and trade, where another team is on the hook for that money or a new contract). Twist it any way you like, that is a fact.

Do they have to franchise him the second year? No. Does that change the validity of the first statement? No.

The cost of a hypothetical five year contract does not change the validity of the first statement either.

Seems like people are arguing the first statement just for argument's sake.
No so fast, Runner.

If the "Texans" franchise Dunta a second year, then change their name to "Oilers Redux", then the "Texans" have franchised him twice and only paid him $10M, with "Oilers Redux" paying the additional $12M.

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If the the Texans franchise Dunta two years in a row they'll pay him over $20,000,000 for those two years (barring a sign and trade, where another team is on the hook for that money or a new contract). Twist it any way you like, that is a fact.

Do they have to franchise him the second year? No. Does that change the validity of the first statement? No.

The cost of a hypothetical five year contract does not change the validity of the first statement either.

Seems like people are arguing the first statement just for argument's sake.
No so fast, Runner.

If the "Texans" franchise Dunta a second year, then change their name to "Oilers Redux", then the "Texans" have franchised him twice and only paid him $10M, with "Oilers Redux" paying the additional $12M.

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Uh...never mind. I am totally lost, but I stay that way.
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Uh...never mind. I am totally lost, but I stay that way.
That's ok, just post a long, rambling dialogue and you'll probably touch on a couple of salient points.
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Uh...never mind. I am totally lost, but I stay that way.
1 year (this year) = $10 million

2nd year (next year franchise price tag) = $12 million


so two years would be $22 mil

Others fail to see what runner was saying so he thought he would argue with himself. I guess he could not find a
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1 year (this year) = $10 million

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so two years would be $22 mil

Others fail to see what runner was saying so he thought he would argue with himself. I guess he could not find a
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1 year (this year) = $10 million

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so two years would be $22 mil

Others fail to see what runner was saying so he thought he would argue with himself. I guess he could not find a
I got his earlier post it was the Oiler Redux that threw me into a panic. I had a day dream about McNair backing up 18 wheelers to Reliant.
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That's ok, just post a long, rambling dialogue and you'll probably touch on a couple of salient points.
I do that all the time!! Wait, are you making fun of me? And what the hell does salt (salient) have to do with it?
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