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Old 08-06-2009   #121
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We'll see if he is even there for the first game this is a brand new D that you don't learn as well in personal drills. This is also about team support and what kind of message it sending to the rest of the team. Is going to be there to rely on when needed? OD and Demeco probably did not want to have to pay the fees and deal with the negtive pub for not going to camp. Is he going to cause trouble when does he finally show up?
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We'll see if he is even there for the first game this is a brand new D that you don't learn as well in personal drills. This is also about team support and what kind of message it sending to the rest of the team. Is going to be there to rely on when needed? OD and Demeco probably did not want to have to pay the fees and deal with the negtive pub for not going to camp. Is he going to cause trouble when does he finally show up?
I'm sure his teammates aren't as worried about this as we are, they all operate by a certain code & understand when it comes to money. Plus, we have "nice" guys they won't say anything!

& you Best believe he'll be there when those game checks start rolling. The defense is not really so brand new as Bush's role in prepping the D was increased close to the end of the season and he was pretty much given the keys to the car the last game..I'm sure Dunta already has the playbook for it or most of it and again, he's a vet & probably will pick it up fairly easy.
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I just can't see how anyone can even begin to defend Dunta. I didn't like it and the guy was irritating before the way he kept going to the media about his contract issues but since July 15 is now passed, I am officially pissed off at the man and don't care if he ever suits up for the team.

What he is doing right now is completely selfish and is crap. If he is worried about getting franchised, then why doesn't he do this: Go out this season, play lights out and actually get some picks and look good in coverage, and I can guarantee you the Texans will give him the payday he thinks he deserves.

Since he can no longer sign a long-term deal, all he is doing is screwing over the team given the fact that we have a new defensive coordinator and likely will be doing things a bit differently than before.

All you guys taking up for Dunta are almost as bad as the DC homers used to be.
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I just can't see how anyone can even begin to defend Dunta. I didn't like it and the guy was irritating before the way he kept going to the media about his contract issues but since July 15 is now passed, I am officially pissed off at the man and don't care if he ever suits up for the team.

What he is doing right now is completely selfish and is crap. If he is worried about getting franchised, then why doesn't he do this: Go out this season, play lights out and actually get some picks and look good in coverage, and I can guarantee you the Texans will give him the payday he thinks he deserves.

Since he can no longer sign a long-term deal, all he is doing is screwing over the team given the fact that we have a new defensive coordinator and likely will be doing things a bit differently than before.

All you guys taking up for Dunta are almost as bad as the DC homers used to be.
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I just can't see how anyone can even begin to defend Dunta. I didn't like it and the guy was irritating before the way he kept going to the media about his contract issues but since July 15 is now passed, I am officially pissed off at the man and don't care if he ever suits up for the team.

What he is doing right now is completely selfish and is crap. If he is worried about getting franchised, then why doesn't he do this: Go out this season, play lights out and actually get some picks and look good in coverage, and I can guarantee you the Texans will give him the payday he thinks he deserves.

Since he can no longer sign a long-term deal, all he is doing is screwing over the team given the fact that we have a new defensive coordinator and likely will be doing things a bit differently than before.

All you guys taking up for Dunta are almost as bad as the DC homers used to be.
It's not nearly to that point. For god's sake man This is training camp for a player who's been in the league for 4 years already. The comraderie is built already & those who've been here a couple years already know what they're getting with dunta when he does take the field. Now if this was Cush, i'd be worried b/c he doesn't know what it takes to be successful in this league.

It's a business & both parties understand what it takes sometimes to get what you want it's just tough for us as fans to watch this crap going on because we have nothing to gain or lose out of the ordeal.
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It's not nearly to that point. For god's sake man This is training camp for a player who's been in the league for 4 years already. The comraderie is built already & those who've been here a couple years already know what they're getting with dunta when he does take the field. Now if this was Cush, i'd be worried b/c he doesn't know what it takes to be successful in this league.
I'm not jumping into the hate on Dunta gang, but the difference is there is a new coach and new system this year. Holding out this year means much more than if this had happened last year.
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I'm sure his teammates aren't as worried about this as we are, they all operate by a certain code & understand when it comes to money. Plus, we have "nice" guys they won't say anything!

& you Best believe he'll be there when those game checks start rolling. The defense is not really so brand new as Bush's role in prepping the D was increased close to the end of the season and he was pretty much given the keys to the car the last game..I'm sure Dunta already has the playbook for it or most of it and again, he's a vet & probably will pick it up fairly easy.
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It's not nearly to that point. For god's sake man This is training camp for a player who's been in the league for 4 years already. The comraderie is built already & those who've been here a couple years already know what they're getting with dunta when he does take the field. Now if this was Cush, i'd be worried b/c he doesn't know what it takes to be successful in this league.
Icak beat me to it. He needs to be with his teammates learning the new (hopefully improved) defense.

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It's a business & both parties understand what it takes sometimes to get what you want it's just tough for us as fans to watch this crap going on because we have nothing to gain or lose out of the ordeal.
Let me ask you then. What does Dunta have to gain by not signing the franchise tender?
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All you guys taking up for Dunta are almost as bad as the DC homers used to be.
Let's not get emotional, man.

HWWNBN is/was a massive bust. Dude will never getting starting gig again.

D.Rob, while not a shut down corner, is the best CB on this team.

It's just business, and I'm not sure why it's become so personal with so many folks. I understand the idea of "betrayal", but doesn't that extend to a team that RAISES ticket prices every season in spite of never having a winning product? Where is the outrage at the franchise for not being loyal to us fans by giving us the mythical "hometown discount" while we continually sell-out a stadium for a mediocre product?

Point being, the season hasn't started, we'll know more as 09/13 gets here, and we are better team with #23 playing at this point in time.

IF dude holds out during regular season, then you bring the tar and I'll bring the feathers. At that point, there is no doubt that he is hurting the team by not playing and should be chastised accordingly.

I'm not "defending" Robinson, but I am promoting objectivity.

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The problem with his holdout now is that he can't accomplish anything with it. Now, it's basically just a temper tantrum because no more negotiations can take place until after the season. So, at this point, it seems he is hurting the team's chances for success just so he can throw a fit.
Maybe the best take in this thread, and one that does make you stop and think about the point of D.Rob's holdout.


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I'm not jumping into the hate on Dunta gang, but the difference is there is a new coach and new system this year. Holding out this year means much more than if this had happened last year.
Will it be that much of a different D? I've heard that it will have new wrinkles but maintain a lot of the same stuff as Richard Smith's schemes. I could be completely off and whoever I heard say this completely wrong, so just curious if you could clarify. (I don't disagree with you, btw)
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Let's not get emotional, man.

HWWNBN is/was a massive bust. Dude will never getting starting gig again.
It was in reference to the blind homerism associated with some of the Dunta supporters.

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But not the best corner the team has ever had, and I suspect, we will have someone better within a few years. As others have stated, Dunta is a safety in a corner's body. The main thing with him was his passion. His recent demonstrations have done nothing but indicate he was never as passionate about the team as we might have thought.

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As I have stated before, the guy has nothing to gain from this little pity party. Forgive me for not siding with an individual who stands to make almost $10 mil in this economy.

It isn't just business because it has become incredibly clear the guy no longer wants to be here. He does not want to play for the city of Houston any longer. If he doesn't want to be here, I would rather he not be here. Not sure why that is difficult for some people to grasp.

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I understand the idea of "betrayal", but doesn't that extend to a team that RAISES ticket prices every season in spite of never having a winning product? Where is the outrage at the franchise for not being loyal to us fans by giving us the mythical "hometown discount" while we continually sell-out a stadium for a mediocre product?
Agreed. DB, I expect you to organize a protest over the increasing ticket prices. If you do that, I will organize a protest over Dunta's actions.

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Point being, the season hasn't started, we'll know more as 09/13 gets here, and we are better team with #23 playing at this point in time.
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the effect this has on the locker room. If the guy does not want to be here anymore, I can't see how that will not have an adverse reaction on the team chemistry.

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IF dude holds out during regular season, then you bring the tar and I'll bring the feathers. At that point, there is no doubt that he is hurting the team by not playing and should be chastised accordingly.
The scary thing is he might hurt the team by playing.

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Will it be that much of a different D? I've heard that it will have new wrinkles but maintain a lot of the same stuff as Richard Smith's schemes. I could be completely off and whoever I heard say this completely wrong, so just curious if you could clarify.
I am far from an expert but wouldn't we have different audibles, assignments, plays, etc.? Obviously, it isn't as big of a deal as getting a new OC, but it will still have an effect.
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Dunta Robinson is the man. He will sign his contract after TC since all the vets hate that shit anyways, and he will start at CB for us all season. Then we can sign him to a long term deal or sign and trade him. Whatever works best.

The Giants are paying Eli Manning roughly 15 million a season for the next 5-6 years. And he isnt even that good. I think we can spare 10 million for 1 year for a Dunta.

I don't let business affect my views of him. Players want to get paid. Teams don't want to pay it. I will still sport his jersey this year.
Funny thing is, you can only trade him next off season if you franchise him again, he is going to be a free agent. Thus my point he wants out of here. If wanted to stay here he would have been negotiating this off season, instead he pulled away from talks. That can mean only one thing, he wants to be a free agent so he can go else where.
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I'm sorry I'll disagree 100% here, no matter how much you look at the film and study playbooks that won't put you in football shape. You need to get out there pick back up the speed of the game, get used to contact again, gain some confidence, and get back into the motion. You just don't simply walk on the field especially after only playing half a year last year due to him coming back. He *NEEDS* the reps..

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I'm sorry I'll disagree 100% here, no matter how much you look at the film and study playbooks that won't put you in football shape. You need to get out there pick back up the speed of the game, get used to contact again, gain some confidence, and get back into the motion. You just don't simply walk on the field especially after only playing half a year last year due to him coming back. He *NEEDS* the reps..

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Absolutely, but he wants out of town. Let him go. He'll be wishing for that $23 mil guaranteed offer after testing the market unless Crazy Al or Dan Snyder signs him.
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Absolutely, but he wants out of town. Let him go. He'll be wishing for that $23 mil guaranteed offer after testing the market unless Crazy Al or Dan Snyder signs him.
I'm all for letting him go, as he was an average corner IMHO, that had a great rookie season but never followed it up. People say he's a great tackler, but honestly tackling skills aren't the first thing you think about for corners.

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Maybe the best take in this thread, and one that does make you stop and think about the point of D.Rob's holdout.
I disagree. Not that it wasn't a good take, but it's not necessarily the case.

It is true that Dunta can't hold out for a long-term contract, but he can hold out for the Texans to agree that they don't franchise him next year.
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It's too early to worry about Dunta. He can still wait a couple more weeks and get into great shape before the first game, unless he has an injury.

If you were going to get the same salary next year for working 200 days or 250 days, how many days would you work?

On the other hand, it is in Dunta's best interest to start playing early enough that he is completely prepared for his first game. The reason he didn't get the contract he wanted is because he isn't as good on film right now as he thinks he is. If he wants a big contract, he has to have a great season. That means he needs to know the playbook completely and he needs to be in great shape for the first regular season game.

As for the Texans, I think they only franchised Dunta because they needed one more season from him. A year from now the Texans will have Reeves, Molden, Bennett, Quin and probably McCain and another corner. They will also have draft picks available to add corners and safeties, and they could bring in mid-level free agents (like Deltha O’Neal) for little cost.

Dunta was injured for most of the last 2 years, and no one is sure how good he can be at this point. He has never been to a Pro Bowl. The Texans have staffed up at his position and they are getting ready to move on. Dunta has one year to show the league what he can do, so he better not waste the first part of if pouting.
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My ire with Dunta at this point is what's the point of holding out from signing the tender right now? Right now I can only think he wants to save his body expecially after seeing Reeves go down. I think he'll sign the tender towards the middle of preseason and he'll get enough reps for us to put him as our nickle CB, depending on who we sign to take Reeves reps.

My other problem is if he wants out of Houston just say it. I'm sure he initally wanted to test the FA waters and see what he could get on a team that...well makes the playoffs. I just can't honestly see another team wanting to give him a bigger contract then even the vague reports of deals we've seen here. especailly taking into consideration the major injury he rehabbed from.

Dunta insisting on not being tagged again leads me to believe it's not money, he just wants out of Houston. At the cost of him being named a discontent player, he just needs to say it publically. I'm beyond upset with Dunta, I'm just ambivalent. Could care less if he signs tomorrow or the start of the season or holds out til next year. IMO in either scenario he's not doing himself any favors.
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Default Re: "All's forgiven, Dunta" ??????????????

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Originally Posted by hadaad View Post
I disagree. Not that it wasn't a good take, but it's not necessarily the case.

It is true that Dunta can't hold out for a long-term contract, but he can hold out for the Texans to agree that they don't franchise him next year.
But that is dalemurphy's point. He can't even accomplish that, because if they broke a promise about the franchise tag before, then what is to stop them from breaking it again next off-season? And all things considered, how could he trust them to keep the promise? They can't put it in writing because contract negotiations cannot resume until after the season, which, by then, it's too late.

My thing is that I'm excited about the season, so I'm not going to let anything like a contract dispute/holdout steal my joy. If #23 doesn't show up for 09/13, then I'll be right next to everyone else saying 'screw that guy'.

Until then, I'm just not going to get negative about it and cloud the optimism and joy of a new football season. It's just not worth it (to me).

I hope he signs the tender, makes his point, and is starting against the Jets. If his play suffers, then we can point to missing TC. If not, welcome back for 2009, D.Rob, now let's win some games!
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