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Old 08-06-2009   #81
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In my view, the only people who are truly angered by Dunta are the fans that feel betrayed by his lack of loyalty. They turned on him faster than they could say, "I always knew he sucked". Once it became an emotional issue, it entered an unrecoverable downward spiral.
Fans cheer for the name on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back. Many of us are here to cheer for the Team and not individual players. Personally, I do not feel betrayed by Dunta. I appreciate what he did in Htown. However, it is important to understand that football is a business and the business is to build the best team possible given the limits of the hard salary cap. Is Dunta a good player? Sure. Is he a top player at his position? No. I don't think so. Is he wrong to go after that money? No, of course not. But I think he is making a mistake in his approach.

As I have outlined numerous times, he needs to prove he is over his injury by having a HUGE year. He needs to get on the field and make his mistakes in practice rather than in the meaningful games. The only person a holdout can potentially hurt is Dunta himself.
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I will never cheer FOR Dunta again. The guy is a prima donna, and I really don't want to see him in a Texans uniform. If he makes a big play, I will cheer for the PLAY because I want the Texans to win at all costs. But I will never cheer for Dunta the way that I cheer for others on the team. When Andre does well, I cheer for the plays AJ makes but am also happy FOR Andre. The same goes for when Mario makes a sack, Schaub completes a big time pass, etc.

If Dunta had any respect for himself or for the team, he would suck it up and show up and play. I honestly believe that Demeco and OD are being show a bit less respect than Dunta was shown yet they are there. Dunta made his stand, the Texans didn't offer him what he thought he was worth, Dunta didn't sign a contract so the Texans utilized the card that the NFL believes a team should be able to use. As far as this year, Dunta lost (if you can call getting paid $10 mil losing). What he needed to do was suck it up after the date for signing a long-term deal passed, sign his contract, and show up for camp. Then he can prove during the season that he is worth what he believes he is worth. This would have most assuredly won most of the fans back over. Instead, he sits out and mopes like a baby. No, Dunta is far from forgiven.

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REALLY? with whom and for how much? If he's all that and a bag of chips, why wouldn't he be worth those two #1's it would cost another team to get him? It's the OD question all over again.

The Players union and the League BOTH agreed on the different tags, why do only the players get the benefit of being 'victims' here?
Who else could be the "victim" ? The tag is placed on a player at the discretion of the team. A team isn't forced to use the tag.

It's a big jump from my assertion that Robinson would have fared well on the free agent market (pending a physical) and your suggestion he would not, based upon the fact that he did not receive an offer sheet. Julius Peppers didn't receive an offer sheet. Albert Haynesworth didn't receive an offer sheet in 2008. Doesn't mean these aren't good players who would (or did) score $big in the free agent market. Only franchise QBs are worthy of that type of draft choice compensation.
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Just watched the last game of 2008 again, the one against Chicago. I think I saw D-rob break up ONE pass... not sure I ever saw him on a tackle. Whenever I did see him he was far away from the plays (or on the sidelines) mostly walking around.

I know that it's not really fair to 'judge' him by just that one performance, but to be honest this was the first time I watched an entire game paying specific attention to him. Not impressed, and if that's the benchmark for his possible 2009 efforts... I'll pass.

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What is so disappointing to me about the whole Dunta situation is this; During his injury, he was out there every single training camp & every single game pumping this team up. He was the consummate LEADER.

When he came back, he let everyone know how happy he was to be able to be a leader ON THE FIELD now.

How can you turn around so quickly like that? I feel like we all stood patiently behind him during his injury and now he is throwing mud in our eyes because the team isn't throwing money in his.

I'm just really disappointed in his character right now.
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For me, it's not like he instantly became sucky because of his holdout attitude. His instincts, his tenacity, and his veteran mindset are an asset to the team.
I also don't believe he suddenly became a "sucky" player.

I've always thought he was over-rated. A good run supporting CB. I always appreciated that he left nothing on the field, and he gave it 100% every play.

But I never thought he was a top 5 corner in this league. I never thought he was a cover corner.

I think, and have thought that he is an under-sized safety playing out of position.

I do believe it was admirable of the F.O. wanting to offer Dunta more money than he is worth. Same as I thought it was the admirable thing to do with David Carr.

I wouldn't have done it.

But I understand the team doing it.

But Dunta gave us an out, by not signing whatever deal they offered him.... and it's true, I really have no idea if it was fair or not.. and he balked at the franchise tag, which I know is more than he is worth for one year of play.

If he does sign his deal, or even the franchise deal, I hope the Texans sign both O'neal & McKinsey(sp?) start them at corner, or even Bennett, and move Dunta inside to safety.
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Maybe my memory is just bad.... can anyone locate a Dunta Highlight video?
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What is so disappointing to me about the whole Dunta situation is this; During his injury, he was out there every single training camp & every single game pumping this team up. He was the consummate LEADER.

When he came back, he let everyone know how happy he was to be able to be a leader ON THE FIELD now.

How can you turn around so quickly like that? I feel like we all stood patiently behind him during his injury and now he is throwing mud in our eyes because the team isn't throwing money in his.

I'm just really disappointed in his character right now.
I think that's how I feel about it. He fails to see how The Texans could've cut him long ago when he injured his leg. Instead a player got cut because we kept a spot on the team for him last year with the hopes that he could get better. Even then we don't know how he will last a full season and we put the franchise on him because we wanted him to stay a Texan.

I can understand complaining about the contract but come to practice for the team that really wants you to remain a Texan and show them that their money will be well spent.
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These players make more than enough whatever the deal was just suck it up and play take the tag off of him and shop him around next offseason. There's also the option of showing up and playing well and talking to the FO behind closed doors about the contract once he proves he proves he still has it.
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Oh good lord. Dunta didn't franchise himself and he isn't refusing $10 million to make a statement. He'll be here come game time. He didn't take the franchise tag very well but he also said he'd be in camp if the FO agreed not to do it again and they didn't, so surprise surprise he isn't here. But hey, let's crucify him from atop Rick Smith's jock strap and pretend a couple journeymen CB's will make Dunta a distant memory with their "untapped" awesomeness.
What he is telling the front office is, I will not be back next season, and you will not get any compensation for me. I'm sorry but if I am Rick Smith I do not buckle. The FO has made it clear they want Dunta, and he is making clear he wants to go somewhere else.

He was offered top money, not league leading but top 5 for sure, and he is not a top 5 CB.

If he does not get in here by the end of the 2 game, so he can play in the 3rd game and 4th game, then he is no good to us and should be traded away.

I do not see paying a player 10M to be average for the 1st 4 weeks.
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Oh good lord. Dunta didn't franchise himself and he isn't refusing $10 million to make a statement. He'll be here come game time. He didn't take the franchise tag very well but he also said he'd be in camp if the FO agreed not to do it again and they didn't, so surprise surprise he isn't here. But hey, let's crucify him from atop Rick Smith's jock strap and pretend a couple journeymen CB's will make Dunta a distant memory with their "untapped" awesomeness.
Sorry but Dunta hasn't lived up to anything but mediocre corner after his rookie season. Look at the stats, while they don't tell all he's definitely not one of the top 5 shutdown corners in the league, so he hasn't earned his money yet IMHO.
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Sorry but Dunta hasn't lived up to anything but mediocre corner after his rookie season. Look at the stats, while they don't tell all he's definitely not one of the top 5 shutdown corners in the league, so he hasn't earned his money yet IMHO.
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What he is telling the front office is, I will not be back next season, and you will not get any compensation for me. I'm sorry but if I am Rick Smith I do not buckle. The FO has made it clear they want Dunta, and he is making clear he wants to go somewhere else.
Odd how you have this all figured out when Aaron Glenn was on the radio this morning saying something completely different. Call me crazy but I'd rather take the word of someone who's actually spoken with Dunta rather than a MB poster and "league sources" who have also told John McClain we'd draft Vince Young.

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Sorry but Dunta hasn't lived up to anything but mediocre corner after his rookie season. Look at the stats, while they don't tell all he's definitely not one of the top 5 shutdown corners in the league, so he hasn't earned his money yet IMHO.
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The problem with his holdout now is that he can't accomplish anything with it. Now, it's basically just a temper tantrum because no more negotiations can take place until after the season. So, at this point, it seems he is hurting the team's chances for success just so he can throw a fit.
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I recall a few years back a coach from Indy telling him he's a hell of a player after a game. Wouldn't surprise me to see him go to Indy.
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Odd how you have this all figured out when Aaron Glenn was on the radio this morning saying something completely different. Call me crazy but I'd rather take the word of someone who's actually spoken with Dunta rather than a MB poster and "league sources" who have also told John McClain we'd draft Vince Young.



Ok.
What makes you trust Glenn? We'll never know the truth man.
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Maybe my memory is just bad.... can anyone locate a Dunta Highlight video?
Have you tried youtube with a search of Dunta Robinson? The answer is yes.
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Odd how you have this all figured out when Aaron Glenn was on the radio this morning saying something completely different. Call me crazy but I'd rather take the word of someone who's actually spoken with Dunta rather than a MB poster and "league sources" who have also told John McClain we'd draft Vince Young.
What did Glenn have to say?
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Sorry but Dunta hasn't lived up to anything but mediocre corner after his rookie season. Look at the stats, while they don't tell all he's definitely not one of the top 5 shutdown corners in the league, so he hasn't earned his money yet IMHO.
Also, he had Petey making him look better and we were fooled because we confused Dunta's effort with talent.

I loved Dunta because it seemed like he left it all on the field, played hard every play. However I have been less than satisfied with him the last couple of years. He started throwing DC under the bus ( not a good teammate move) On the field he was the one who got burned by a slow receiver to set up the gw field goal in the "almost comeback" and unfortunately he had that season ending surgery that damaged his quickeness and versatility. After his hard work to get back , I thought that he would be a leader on defense and lead our young secondary. This offseason and his attitutde has spoiled alot of the good will I had towards him. I hope he can come back and be the player that we all love to root for.
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