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Old 08-05-2009   #1
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Bush left Saints practice on Wednesday morning and later returned with his knee wrapped in ice.

Bush discarded the ice after a while and continued to stand with the running backs, still wearing his jersey and shoulder pads, for the remainder of practice. But he did not participate in drills and looked stiff as he walked with a slight limp.

Bush had surgery on his left knee last December to repair cartilage. Drafted second overall in 2006, the former Heisman Trophy winner out of Southern California has missed 10 games in his past two NFL seasons
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I wonder if they can still use him as a decoy while sitting on the bench.
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Default Re: Bush suffers set back with knee

Ah, was coming to post this.

Boy, did we ever dodge a bullet with this guy...
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Didn't he have micro-fracture surgery on that knee ?
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Yes, he did have micro-fracture surgery on the knee.

That report was pre-mature and an addendum was released pretty quick that clarified things. He's had some normal swelling in the knee (par for the microfracture course) and the ice and rest from practice was premeditated as he's been sitting one of the 2-a-days all camp as a precautionary measure anyway.

Not saying it's not something to keep and eye on, because it is, but nothing that would be considered a "setback".
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gotta love how this trio of picks continues to prove who the good guys are.
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I can always bank on you guys getting the Bush news for me before anyone else does

I am just as concerned as any Saints fan about his durability and health, but as jlam said, it's not a "setback" at this point in time. Except to a crowd of embittered fans of other teams who can't let go of the past. As I've said before - some of you really need to just. let. it. go.

Prior to the day Bush got his knee iced, all reports were that he had a very hard day at practice. He worked hard. He's running between the tackles more - and they're working him more in a conventional manner. He was stout and consistent in his blocking drills. By all accounts, he was one of the hardest workers on the team for the day.

And he had pretty major surgery not all that long ago.

After a day like that and surgery like that - swelling or soreness is not unheard of. Nor is it a setback. And sometimes ice is preventative as well.

Longterm, we have every reason to be cautious. And in the end, he might very well be injured or hurt and it impacts the season.

But we're not there yet.

edit: and wwl reported he was back practicing yesterday and that initial report you linked wasn't entirely correct...

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Bush went through the afternoon session after concerns about his knee swirled due to a report that he left the morning practice early, iced his knee and then returned with a limp. While the story implied that Bush had suffered a setback, the Saints said that was not correct, that it was all part of the daily plan.

"I warmed up and ran through stretches with the team and then [went inside and] put ice on it," Bush said. "That was it, so I guess they suspected I came out, but I never even started practice."

The Saints have been cautious with Bush since the start of camp, often giving him practices off.

"That's been the protocol since Day 1," Bush said.

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gotta love how this trio of picks continues to prove who the good guy is.
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Question for you NOLA-Saints fans: where's Bush now listed on the team depth-charts, at running back or at one of the receiver positions ?
And is Pierre Thomas now unofficially the new Deuce McAllister in NOLA and the starting tail-back on your team ?
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I can always bank on you guys getting the Bush news for me before anyone else does

I am just as concerned as any Saints fan about his durability and health, but as jlam said, it's not a "setback" at this point in time. Except to a crowd of embittered fans of other teams who can't let go of the past. As I've said before - some of you really need to just. let. it. go.

Prior to the day Bush got his knee iced, all reports were that he had a very hard day at practice. He worked hard. He's running between the tackles more - and they're working him more in a conventional manner. He was stout and consistent in his blocking drills. By all accounts, he was one of the hardest workers on the team for the day.

And he had pretty major surgery not all that long ago.

After a day like that and surgery like that - swelling or soreness is not unheard of. Nor is it a setback. And sometimes ice is preventative as well.

Longterm, we have every reason to be cautious. And in the end, he might very well be injured or hurt and it impacts the season.

But we're not there yet.

edit: and wwl reported he was back practicing yesterday and that initial report you linked wasn't entirely correct...

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I guess it was OK when the Texans were called stupid and laughed at . Now that VY is 3rd string and Bush can't stay healthy , while Mario is making the pro-bowl and his stock is still rising , we are told to let it go ... hmmm .
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Question for you NOLA-Saints fans: where's Bush now listed on the team depth-charts, at running back or at one of the receiver positions ?
And is Pierre Thomas now unofficially the new Deuce McAllister in NOLA and the starting tail-back on your team ?
He's listed as a running back, as I imagine he will be for the foreseeable future.

As much as he gets pegged with the "reciever" label, he really doesn't run all that many reciever routes in our offense. Most of his catches come out of the backfield by design and are essentially extended handoffs in that the pass is about 95% guaranteed to be complete, while at the same time the defense pretty much sees it coming, making it a lot like a running play both in development and result (average ypc). I'd actually like to see him run more "reciever" routes just to change it up and not allow linebackers to crowd him close to the line.

But I'd suspect he'll continue to get the normal 10 or so carries per game while being thrown to 8-10 times as well. More or less of each as context dictates.

As it relates to Pierre, I'm kind of hesitant to say he's taken over Deuce's role in that I don't think he's proven he has the durability to carry the ball 20-25 times (tough carries at that) over the course of a season. But then, Deuce himself only did that for about 3 seasons so it's a tough task for anyone in today's NFL. Many others disagree with me and would like to see Pierre assume the workload of a traditional running back, so it's certainly not unanimous. I just tend to think it might be counterproductive considering our passing game is so potent. Sure I want to be able to run the ball, but there's only so much clock and we only have the ball so much. It's a point of contention.

In our offense it's not really going to be required of him anyway outside of a few probably late game clock control situations, so I really wouldn't worry myself with "starting" and "backup" labels. It's all contextual. Some weeks Pierre will be the tailback on the first play, some weeks he won't. Depends on what play we want to run first I suppose.

On a side note, are the Texans selling tickets to the practices against the Saints here in Houston in a couple weeks? I've seen some places that they were closed to the public, then others that people were looking for tickets. Wondering if maybe they were talking about tickets to the preseason game, but .
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I guess it was OK when the Texans were called stupid and laughed at .
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while Mario is making the pro-bowl and his stock is still rising , we are told to let it go ... hmmm .
which is precisely why I think you should let it go. That was the point I was making.

Don't conflate the two - I was excited to get Reggie. Still very excited to have Reggie. But I also thought the media histrionics vis a vis the Mario pick was too melodramatic. The comments made toward/about the Texans and their organization ranged from silly to insulting. When it comes to draft picks, I tend to wait a little while before I start labeling picks stupid and draftees busts.

Just like I thought it was premature to call Williams a foolish pick, likewise do I think it's premature (and inaccurate to date) to call Reggie a "bust"

So you can get defensive and think that I was pointing and laughing at the Texans - I wasn't. I'm just saying - you have a tremendous player - it's time to let this go, imo.

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Reggie Bush reached down to grab his left knee, gasped as if in pain, then grinned as he looked toward the sideline.

The New Orleans Saints' star running back realized that he had caused a stir Wednesday morning when he suddenly walked off the practice field and returned with his surgically repaired left knee wrapped in ice.

So during the Saints' second practice of the day, Bush took a moment to joke about it, then returned to full participation in team drills.

"I iced it just as a precaution, so when I ice it, that means I'm just maintaining," Bush said between practices. "I've got to stay on top of it and treat it as if it was the first day I injured it."

Saints coach Sean Payton already has held Bush out of a couple practices on days when the Saints worked out twice, limiting him to one practice per day.

When Bush has practiced, he has done so vigorously. On Tuesday afternoon, he turned an end run into a 15-yard touchdown during 11-on-11 drills. On Wednesday afternoon, he ran hard and didn't shy away from contact.

Bush said he has had one MRI performed since training camp began late last week and said "everything came back great."

"Now it's just about getting myself back to football shape and getting my knee back to carrying the load again," Bush said.

"I'm just trying to be smart about the amount of work I give him so that it doesn't become a bigger factor when we get ready to play in the season," Payton added. "But he'd play this evening if we were playing. I'm not concerned with Reggie at all."
there really is nothing to see here - at least yet. And hopefully not ever again, this season and beyond.
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On a side note, are the Texans selling tickets to the practices against the Saints here in Houston in a couple weeks? I've seen some places that they were closed to the public, then others that people were looking for tickets. Wondering if maybe they were talking about tickets to the preseason game, but .
Affirmative.
Or atleast they were and here's the link to get your ticket(s) if still available.
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which is precisely why I think you should let it go. That was the point I was making.

Don't conflate the two - I was excited to get Reggie. Still very excited to have Reggie. But I also thought the media histrionics vis a vis the Mario pick was too melodramatic. The comments made toward/about the Texans and their organization ranged from silly to insulting. When it comes to draft picks, I tend to wait a little while before I start labeling picks stupid and draftees busts.

Just like I thought it was premature to call Williams a foolish pick, likewise do I think it's premature (and inaccurate to date) to call Reggie a "bust"

So you can get defensive and think that I was pointing and laughing at the Texans - I wasn't. I'm just saying - you have a tremendous player - it's time to let this go, imo.

And the original link in the OP has been changed to reflect the following:



there really is nothing to see here - at least yet. And hopefully not ever again, this season and beyond.
Hopefully his knees explode and he never plays another down of football. Hopefully.
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Affirmative.
Or atleast they were and here's the link to get your ticket(s) if still available.
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Thanks a lot. I signed up for a couple for both days, should be a good time.
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Hopefully his knees explode and he never plays another down of football. Hopefully.
Sounds like an episode of "Bones".
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Ah, was coming to post this.

Boy, did we ever dodge a bullet with this guy...
And Charlie Rodgers too. Wheww - glad we got "stuck" with Andre Johnson.
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Not sure what we "need to let go". Goldensilence simply made a report about a high profile NFL player being injured in the NFL section. The other day someone made a similiar post about an Eagles player going down in here.

Sure, someone commented that we dodged a bullet by not buying into the hype and drafting Reggie however that is a good point from a Texans fan's perspective. This is a Texans board and you will probably see a Texans slant on most posts here.

OK, I will admit I didn't see swtbound07's post when I initially posted this ... lol. I think some might still be a little miffed by his "thanks for not drafting me" line in whatever commercial that was.
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Ok All at once Charlie Casserly was right.
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Ok All at once Charlie Casserly was right.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...
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