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Old 08-03-2009   #1
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HOUSTON -- No one connected with or rooting for the Houston Texans wants to hear words such as promise or potential any longer.

The Texans are well beyond being the "little NFL franchise that could." They're the multi-billion-dollar investment of Bob McNair, and, like his players and fans, he's tired of them being a .500 club that comes close to making the playoffs ... but doesn't quite get there.

The Texans have been in business since 2002. They have yet to reach the postseason, a dubious distinction that they don't share with any other team in the league.

In the early stages of their eighth training camp, the talk (which is more like a roar) among the Texans and their faithful is that they are embarking on a playoffs-or-bust journey.

"It's time for us to be there, and we're ready for it," McNair said. "I think our team's ready for it, our coaches, and that's our expectation."

Said general manager Rick Smith, "I think our expectations need to be high. Part of the reason why they are is because people feel like we're a better football team. When you look back at the way that the season ended last year (five wins in the final six games), some of the momentum that we gained, I think our players feel good about what we're doing."

They do. To a man, Texans players express the strong belief that the team has all of the ingredients necessary to be a major force in the tough AFC South.

"It's just a lot different than when I first got here (in 2007)," wide receiver David Anderson said. "We wanted a winning team when I got here. Now we want a playoff team. That's just different expectations for us and for the city and for everyone."

Camp practices are drawing crowds of several thousands, including a family from Midland, Texas, which is more than 600 miles away. The fans loudly show their appreciation for big plays on both sides of the ball. Most of their entertainment comes from watching wide receiver Andre Johnson catch long throws from quarterback Matt Schaub.

But they're mostly here because of what they believe they'll be finally getting at the end of the year: A playoff appearance.

"This is a great football town and they want winners," McNair said. "Their expectation level is high, but believe me, when we're in the playoffs, this city is going to go crazy, absolutely crazy. That's what I'm in it for ... to see the excitement and the fun that the people have out of it really makes it all worthwhile."

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There were two plays that drew the loudest responses from the crowd Monday morning. One was a run by bruising, 6-foot, 265-pound fullback Vonta Leach, who knocked off the helmet of 6-foot-1, 200-pound cornerback Fred Bennett. As one fan on the sideline remarked, "I thought his head might still be in that helmet." Another play that drew cheers was wide receiver Andre Davis showing excellent concentration as he came down with a deflected pass from QB Dan Orlovsky.

At 29 years old, Texans offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Kyle Shanahan is only a year older than Schaub and Rex Grossman, and four years older than Orlovsky. But don't let his relative youth fool you. Shanahan brings a great deal of knowledge to the job, and has no problem gaining the respect and holding the attention of his pupils.

"He's wise beyond his years as far as football goes," Schaub said. "When I first came here (in 2007), there was definitely some like, 'How's this going to go?' when I knew he was our quarterback coach. But once we got in there, talking to him and realizing how intelligent and how football smart he is as far as passing game, defenses, the route adjustments, the protections ... he's just so smart, the sky's the limit to him."

From the sound of his voice when he yells to his mannerisms, including the way he squats when he huddles with his quarterbacks, Shanahan reminds you of his father, former NFL coach Mike Shanahan.

Linebacker DeMeco Ryans and tight end Owen Daniels have complained publicly about their contracts, yet they're in camp. And given the exuberance with which they're practicing, they seem far more focused on football than on the dissatisfaction with their pay. Although negotiations hit a snag with both players, the Texans aren't giving up hope that they could eventually work out long-term deals with them. For now, however, all parties feel the best approach is put off contract discussion until after the season. That's especially important for Ryans, who, as a captain, is one of the team's primary leaders.

"The contract side of stuff, it'll handle itself," Ryans said. "My job is to just go out there and be the best that I can be at my position and also lead the other guys to get it going
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Yep. Playoffs or bust.

Excited more than ever for this season. I like the part of the article that discusses OD and Meco. You can tell that they love being out there from the pictures that TexansBullPen has posted. Really makes Dunta look like an ass.
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" The team's hierarchy isn't happy that Robinson is missing from camp, especially since, according to league sources, he has been offered a deal that would make him the NFL's second highest-paid player at his position. Robinson also is missing valuable work in Bush's new scheme."


Thats interesting to me. Are these "league sources" different than our local sources that have been throwing some numbers out there? Are the local sources considered league sources for the purposes of this article? Man I wish he would show up and we could all just forget about this crap for a while.
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" The team's hierarchy isn't happy that Robinson is missing from camp, especially since, according to league sources, he has been offered a deal that would make him the NFL's second highest-paid player at his position. Robinson also is missing valuable work in Bush's new scheme."


Thats interesting to me. Are these "league sources" different than our local sources that have been throwing some numbers out there? Are the local sources considered league sources for the purposes of this article? Man I wish he would show up and we could all just forget about this crap for a while.
If Dunta doesn't show up soon, real soon, I hope he just skips the whole season and we dump him for what we can get. I'm tired of hearing about his crappy attitude. He isn't worth the money he's being offered in the first place, and while his absense will hurt us in the short run, whoever the guy is that replaces him will just learn quicker by playing anyway.

I really quickly falling into a "get rid of Dunta" stance.
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Dunta. Dunta. Dunta. Blah. Blah. Blah. Dunta. Dunta. Dunta.

Guys, how about focusing on the praise that's being given out instead of Dunta Robinson and his contract dispute?

I'm really glad DeMeco Ryans and Owen Daniels are at camp. Look at the cup as if it's half full because it's more than half full! 3 contract disputes, two are in camp. 2:1. I'm happy with those numbers.
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If Dunta doesn't show up soon, real soon, I hope he just skips the whole season and we dump him for what we can get. I'm tired of hearing about his crappy attitude. He isn't worth the money he's being offered in the first place, and while his absense will hurt us in the short run, whoever the guy is that replaces him will just learn quicker by playing anyway.

I really quickly falling into a "get rid of Dunta" stance.
I sure would like to really know what he's turned down. And what the sticking points are in DeMeco's and Owen's deals. Is it the money or the length of contract??
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I'm OK with Dunta not being in camp. He doesn't have a contract.

I don't know any details, any facts about any contract offers he's had or refused. He doesn't want to play under the one-year tender.

I have no doubt that if/when he gets his contract issues resolved, he'll be the best corner we have.
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I've heard it's not that much less than what Dante wants to get paid and would make him the second highest CB in the league. I have heard him say he wants to stay here in Houston as well so I don't think he would have any beef with a length of a contract. What is the big deal?
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I'm OK with Dunta not being in camp. He doesn't have a contract.
He has a contract...he just won't sign it. He's acting like a millionaire cry baby.

He needs to shut up and play. If he proves his worth...he will get paid. If not by us, then by someone else.

But for now...he is legally a Texan. Man up and play Daunta...
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Really makes Dunta look like an ass.
Thing with Dunta is that he does not have a contract. OD and Meco both are under contract and seeking an extention of their current contracts. So, it is understandable that DR is not in camp. For his sake, he better show up in excellent shape when he does get there. He also better play lights out or he will lose millions of dollars and any hope he had for a big time contract will be long gone.
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He has a contract...he just won't sign it. He's acting like a millionaire cry baby.

He needs to shut up and play. If he proves his worth...he will get paid. If not by us, then by someone else.

But for now...he is legally a Texan. Man up and play Daunta...
He does not have a contract. He does not play in the NFL anymore. If he decides to sign within the next two years (supposing we franchise again) he will belong to the Texans but right now he doesn't have a job in the NFL.

I hate getting a little technical but that's how I see it.
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He does not have a contract. He does not play in the NFL anymore. If he decides to sign within the next two years (supposing we franchise again) he will belong to the Texans but right now he doesn't have a job in the NFL.

I hate getting a little technical but that's how I see it.
The only one keeping him from a contract now is Dunta. He's franchised and he didn't sign the tender which prevents him from negotiating a multi-year deal.

It's all on him at this point.
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The only one keeping him from a contract now is Dunta. He's franchised and he didn't sign the tender which prevents him from negotiating a multi-year deal.

It's all on him at this point.
And what does that matter to you? I think the Texans have moved on and inserted players into the CB position. We have Fred Bennett getting a whole bunch of reps and I know we all have to like that. We want our youn'uns getting reps in training camp.

Even if Dunta signs his contract, I don't think it's going to be handed to him merely because he signs. He'll have to earn his starting position back. Kubiak has shown that we're all about filling in players given our injury history and whatnot.

I'd love to have Dunta back but I'm rather enjoying seeing Bennett get some nice reps. Seems win/win for all. I don't really have as much of a problem with Dunta as many of you but I sure hope he gets his issues worked out with his employer. I think he's a good NFL player and this dispute is hurting him in the long run but it's his decision. Why shun him for it? Kubiak is in control of this team. Dunta's either going to be a part of it or not. Whatever.

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BS - He has a contract that is available to him if he wants it. He signs...he plays. He's just does not have the long term deal he wanted. If he does not sign the contract...then he does not play this year.
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Dunta. Dunta. Dunta. Blah. Blah. Blah. Dunta. Dunta. Dunta.

Guys, how about focusing on the praise that's being given out instead of Dunta Robinson and his contract dispute?

I'm really glad DeMeco Ryans and Owen Daniels are at camp. Look at the cup as if it's half full because it's more than half full! 3 contract disputes, two are in camp. 2:1. I'm happy with those numbers.
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I sure would like to really know what he's turned down. And what the sticking points are in DeMeco's and Owen's deals. Is it the money or the length of contract??
There are some VERY good $$ guys on here, but I would bet that the sticking point is garaunteed money more than anything else. That's really all an NFL contract boils down to. The length and all that are just how it gets spread out for cap reasons.

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I'm OK with Dunta not being in camp. He doesn't have a contract.

I don't know any details, any facts about any contract offers he's had or refused. He doesn't want to play under the one-year tender.

I have no doubt that if/when he gets his contract issues resolved, he'll be the best corner we have.
DROB has a VERY nice tender waiting to be signed. I would BEG to be franchised if I were him. Lets face it, being the best Texans CB has been way too similiar to winning 5 gold medals at the Special Olympics. He's a GREAT Texans CB and a good CB on other teams. He might very well be a GREAT CB for the Texans this year if we get the pass rush we're bein advertised. For damn near $10 mil, I'll be your huckleberry.
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