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Old 07-31-2009   #21
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Let me call the Waaambulance for these guys. How do they make it on that salary?
I don't think any of them claim they can't make it on a NFL salary. I bet if you worked say in a computer call center and all the highest rated staff made 18 bucks an hour but you only made 12 bucks an hour, you would cry foul too. It's all about your share of what your peers are making.
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I wonder if their and the FO's attitude would be different if there wasn't a looming uncapped year and the contract extensions associated with these two players.

When you draft guys who work well within a scheme or are just good solid players like Demeco contract problems are going to be an invetiability. I like Demeco and OD a lot, I don't think they are neccesarily getting treated bad in this process, but I do think they deserve to be rewarded for the work they've put in. Long as both aren't asking for elite money, which well honestly neither is elite, but the yare booth real good players.

Lock em up and stop waiting on Dunta to make a move.
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From what I hear the general consensus of the players is that they don't take care of "guys all ready here" and give away funny money to FA's like Jaques Reeves and Antonio Smith. Guys I know that have moved on to other teams say the Texans FO is a quiet joke around the NFL. I don't think it all comes from a bad attitude towards them but they say the mentality in other locker rooms is totally diffrent than here in Houston.
Well that's pretty disheartening to hear.
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Crappy bottom-dwelling teams treat their good players like this on a regular basis. I hope this is not a trend that becomes the norm around here. Not a good sign to hear from one of our best players.

As far as OD is concerned, until someone else PROVES that he can fill his shoes, I think OD is The Man at TE.

Rick Smith is acting like we've got leverage. We don't. We are a perpetually mediocre to suck franchise, and until that changes with continuous winning seasons and playoff appears, we don't have the upper hand.
I also agree with this statement. Cardinals, Lions, heck - The Oilers did this too!
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He is under contract right now isn't he? The priority needs to be signing Brian Cushing and getting him into camp. DeMeco is engaging in negotiating tactics. The front office is well familiar with his situation. They will get to his contract when the time is right.
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I wonder how many people will give back their season tickets as a sign of disapproval from the fans.
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I'd say......none.
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If we win 10 games this year this will all be a distant memory. Either we'll sign OD and Demeco or we won't. If you win 10 games however, with the young talent we have assembled, we won't have to overpay for freeagents... and would be able to find someone to fill his shoes. Two years ago I thought Demeco was really really special... Every year since however, I've felt he's regressed. He makes tackles out the wazoo and I get that but he's not good at sheding blocks which downgrades him some in my book. Who knows maybe he's a little stronger this year... maybe he worked on some techniques that I don't know about, if he did and he's able to shed blockers a little better then the urgency to sign him rachets up quickly.

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I don't think any of them claim they can't make it on a NFL salary. I bet if you worked say in a computer call center and all the highest rated staff made 18 bucks an hour but you only made 12 bucks an hour, you would cry foul too. It's all about your share of what your peers are making.
That's as balanced and equitable a statement on the whole process as I can think of.

If you had to pay the top 18 TEs and MLBs in descending order by $ amount - how much would YOU pay each of 'em? (Take our scheme into consideration as well) For Me - OD/$14 Meco/$16

I think we should get these two locked up as well, but for an additional reason...the Texans need to reward the guys who came in (even when UNhappy) to help provide a reason for the guys like D-Rob to do so as well.

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This business of player salaries is the least interesting, horribly frustrating, and without a doubt the absolute most maddening aspect of football for me.

As far as I'm concerned, screw 'em all and their guaranteed promises of tens of millions of dollars whether they play for it or not. They can all kiss my damn ass.

I know it's a business, but screw 'em anyway. This is the kind of crap that drove me away from baseball and basketball, and the only reason it's not driving me away from football is because I love it so damn much.
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That's as balaced and equitable a statement on the whole process as I can think of.

If you had to pay the top 18 TEs and MLBs in descending order by $ amount - how much would YOU pay each of 'em? (Take our scheme into consideration as well) For Me - OD/$14 Meco/$16

I think we should get these two locked up as well, but for an additional reason...the Texans need to reward the guys who came in (even when UNhappy) to help provide a reason for the guys like D-Rob to do so as well.

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Demeco not being signed is the one that worries me. With OD and Dunta a case can at least be made for no problem. However, this is Demeco Ryans. He is the heart and soul of this defense and an invaluable leader of the team. Playing hard ball with him is not a good football nor good business decision.
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Perennial contenders like the Patriots also treat their top players like this outside the one or two chosen players deemed irreplaceable. I'm not condoning the Texans actions by any means, but maybe the coaches and FO think they can get by without certain disgruntled players.

I know i'd hate to find out if that's true going into a season like this where expectations are so high and we've yet to have a winning season.
You do realize the fallacy of your comparison, yeah?

The Patriots have the leverage because they are the Patriots. Winning franchise, multiple championships, yada yada yada, players WANT to play for them and some even take less money because they want to win.

The Texans don't even have a winning season, so we have no leverage for players wanting to be here other than monetary.

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Let me call the Waaambulance for these guys. How do they make it on that salary?
Why don't you work for minimum wage and be happy with it? Lame argument from one that says he's pro-capitalism.

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My bigest concern is that every player seem to get some version of pissed which may go to how the Texans (specifically Rick Smith) are handling things which are pretty much the course of normal NFL business. There are always one or two who get mad, but seems like everybody comes away with some sort of distate in his mouth here.

Looking at this from Texans' management side, even if these players have performed well, I am not sure if it is good business (or football) to have 6 or 7 guys paid at the top 5 or their positions when the organization has never even made the playoffs much less won a playoff game.

There is a line of rewarding players for good performance and making players truly earn it. Think the Texans are in the process of trying to figure it out the balance.
Good points, man. But, if we do not keep our best players, we stand less of a chance of sustaining any success, much less long-term. The problem is a relatively inexperienced GM who does not appear to be one the players seem to respect.

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I don't think any of them claim they can't make it on a NFL salary. I bet if you worked say in a computer call center and all the highest rated staff made 18 bucks an hour but you only made 12 bucks an hour, you would cry foul too. It's all about your share of what your peers are making.
Exactly. It's just business on both sides. But we are stuck with this franchise, while the players can move on to other teams that treat them better and might actually mix in a winning season or two.
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DeMeco should be unhappy but he should also realize that his own play last season is why he is in this predicament. DeMeco was not a liability last year but he was injured and didn't have quite the same impact as his previous 2 years. Because of this the Texans FO is leery of giving him a new fat contract until they see what he looks like this year. If he plays well early, the Texans will then acquiesce to his demands and sign him. The problem is that if he plays good, he may want to test the waters of FA and screw us out of anything in return in the process.

Personally I would rather re-sign Dunta over DeMeco. I feel its easier to find a serviceable LB than a serviceable CB as a replacement if either departs.

As for Daniels, he needs to get over himself and play football. He isn't a true Pro Bowl TE yet. He has potential but he doesnt deserve top TE money. not yet at least. No way in hell.
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I don't think any of them claim they can't make it on a NFL salary. I bet if you worked say in a computer call center and all the highest rated staff made 18 bucks an hour but you only made 12 bucks an hour, you would cry foul too. It's all about your share of what your peers are making.
I understand that, but when the common man who pays his salary can't make ends meet, and many others are being laid off and foreclosed on, whining and bitching doesn't endear him to anyone, least not me.

One of my favortite bible passages says there is a time for Everything, and a season for every activity under heaven.

What these guys need to realize is that the time is not now, and this is not the season to be greedy. They need to walk a mile in someone else's shoes as apparently thier feet have gotten too large. Proverbs 28 also says a greedy man stirs up dissension.

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This business of player salaries is the least interesting, horribly frustrating, and without a doubt the absolute most maddening aspect of football for me.

As far as I'm concerned, screw 'em all and their guaranteed promises of tens of millions of dollars whether they play for it or not. They can all kiss my damn ass.

I know it's a business, but screw 'em anyway. This is the kind of crap that drove me away from baseball and basketball, and the only reason it's not driving me away from football is because I love it so damn much.
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Personally I would rather re-sign Dunta over DeMeco. I feel its easier to find a serviceable LB than a serviceable CB as a replacement if either departs.
Gonna have to disagree here. First, Demeco has far less question marks and much higher odds at regaining form post injuries. Second, our LB corp looks like it could finally be a complete squad and a strength of the team this year and years beyond. Losing Demeco then creates a huge hole talent and leadership wise in all of that. We have been drafting CBs for a while now and they are high on our two new ones so far, and losing Dunta wont be as negative on the team overall imo....especially if we have room to shop in Free Agency next year.
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I heard from Pat Kirwin yesterday on Sirius NFL radio that over 100 NFL starters this season are in the same predicament of having 3 or 4 years tenure, being scheduled for FA in 2010, but looking at becoming RFAs again next season because of the uncapped rules... The reality is that some NFL players will benefit in huge ways from an uncapped season. And, unfortunately for OD and DRyans, it will be at the expense of 4 and 5 year players. So, the Texans are wise to wait on these guys and sign them to a cap-friendly deal... In the end, OD and Ryans have no choice.
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I understand that, but when the common man who pays his salary can't make ends meet, and many others are being laid off and foreclosed on, whining and bitching doesn't endear him to anyone, least not me.

One of my favortite bible passages says there is a time for Everything, and a season for every activity under heaven.

What these guys need to realize is that the time is not now, and this is not the season to be greedy. They need to walk a mile in someone else's shoes as apparently thier feet have gotten too large. Proverbs 28 also says a greedy man stirs up dissension.

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Definitely agree. And if most did too, then our football team would have more room to sign more talent, and ultimately get better. However, who then is going to hold the Texans FO accountable on the other end?
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If we believe John McClain, then DeMeco was offered an extension that would have made him one of the Top 3 paid MLBs in the NFL. He and his agent turned it down. Shortly after, DeMeco fired his agent and hired a new one. If he was so upset with the Texans FO, then why fire his agent? With OD, if he thinks he's getting a Winslow type deal, then he's crazy. A Dallas Clark or Heath Miller type deal is more up his alley. Sounds like OD is overvaluing himself, but once again its the Texans FO fault. Dunta? We all know that situation. So what it sounds like to me is that these guys need to get better advice from their agents. OD can be replaced (i.e. James Casey). DeMeco can be replaced (i.e. Brandon Spikes). So can Dunta (i.e. CBs already on the roster).
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