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Per Kubiak in his 11:30 a.m. news conference, Antwaun Molden, Travis Johnson and Anthony Hill will be on PUP when the Texans start camp tomorrow. Put it up in my blog a few minutes ago.

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What are the Vegas odds of Molden playing a game before his contract is up?
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Guys can be removed from this list and be on the roster for week 1 correct?
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What are the Vegas odds of Molden playing a game before his contract is up?
He played last year quite a bit on special teams and contributed on some nickel and dime packages, too.
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Guys can be removed from this list and be on the roster for week 1 correct?
there are 2 separate PUP lists. It's unclear which these guys have been put on. On the preseason PUP, they can be taken off at anytime. ON the regulare season PUP, they can't be activated for 6 games... Other than that, I'm not sure about the details of the two lists.
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there are 2 separate PUP lists. It's unclear which these guys have been put on. On the preseason PUP, they can be taken off at anytime. ON the regulare season PUP, they can't be activated for 6 games... Other than that, I'm not sure about the details of the two lists.
I'm gonna assume its preseason PUP, find it hard to believe they would box themselves into having to keep these guys out for the first 6 weeks and be making that determination the last days of July.

In a way its not that surprising, I figured they'd be taking it easy on TJ and Okoye all of training camp. Wasn't Kubiak preaching about how TC this year is going to be less physically demanding so we can start the season quicker?

The only one that surprises me a little is Hill. I didn't know he had a lingering issue that could keep him out of camp. He's the one of those 3 who can't miss time.
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He played last year quite a bit on special teams and contributed on some nickel and dime packages, too.
I should have said "play as a CB" as that is what he was drafted for.
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I'm gonna assume its preseason PUP, find it hard to believe they would box themselves into having to keep these guys out for the first 6 weeks and be making that determination the last days of July.

In a way its not that surprising, I figured they'd be taking it easy on TJ and Okoye all of training camp. Wasn't Kubiak preaching about how TC this year is going to be less physically demanding so we can start the season quicker?

The only one that surprises me a little is Hill. I didn't know he had a lingering issue that could keep him out of camp. He's the one of those 3 who can't miss time.
If you want your team to be good and ready to pay on day you'd had better hope that no players miss much time.
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there are 2 separate PUP lists. It's unclear which these guys have been put on. On the preseason PUP, they can be taken off at anytime. ON the regulare season PUP, they can't be activated for 6 games... Other than that, I'm not sure about the details of the two lists.

The PUP lists are separate but related. You can't go on the reserve (regular season) PUP list unless you've previously been put on the active (pre-season) PUP. I don't believe you can place players on the reserve list until the end of the pre-season, so these guys have to be on the active PUP.

Here's a good article by AJ outlining the basics:

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If you want your team to be good and ready to pay on day you'd had better hope that no players miss much time.
Oh I agree, but TJ and Okoye missing time won't affect their playing time like it would Anthony Hill whose battling 3 other TE's for playing time. We're relying on Okoye to have a huge season and start and TJ is expected to contribute in the DT rotation.
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Anyone know what the deal is with Hill? I didn't even know he had any kind of lingering issue. My guess is that with the reduced roster sizes, they don't want to waste a spot on guys that would be limited in camp. I bet all three of these guys play early in the year.
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Default Re: Molden, T. Johnson, Hill going on PUP

I hadn't heard anything on Hill either -- this is not good.

I most disappointed about Moulden. With Dunta out, this would have been a good opportunity to get valuable reps at CB. We have to be checking the waiver wire to look at more CBs - even if they are just bodies for camp. I don't think you can rely on Robinson week 1 (or even the first couple of weeks) if he misses all of camp - which leaves us thin at CB.

Hopefully, we can find a gem late in the pre-season, similar to what we have been able to find at safety the past couple of years. The CB is already a concern for me.
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I hadn't heard anything on Hill either -- this is not good.

I most disappointed about Moulden. With Dunta out, this would have been a good opportunity to get valuable reps at CB. We have to be checking the waiver wire to look at more CBs - even if they are just bodies for camp. I don't think you can rely on Robinson week 1 (or even the first couple of weeks) if he misses all of camp - which leaves us thin at CB.

Hopefully, we can find a gem late in the pre-season, similar to what we have been able to find at safety the past couple of years. The CB is already a concern for me.
Kubiak mentioned during OTA's that he didn't think Molden would be 100% by the start of camp. I figure he and TJ would be held out for a short stint. Like most others, Hill's the one that surprizes me most.
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D-Rob has the Texans right where he wants them. Behind the 8-ball at CB.
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Anyone know what the deal is with Hill? I didn't even know he had any kind of lingering issue. My guess is that with the reduced roster sizes, they don't want to waste a spot on guys that would be limited in camp. I bet all three of these guys play early in the year.
Can't be a roster issue - even on the active PUP, he counts against the 80 man limit. The only reason they'd put him on the active PUP is if he isn't able to practice, and they think there's a chance (even a very, very tiny chance) that he won't be ready by the first regular season game.

With that, don't forget that last year, both Peyton Manning and Dwight Freeney were on the Colts active PUP. In that case, it was just a matter of keeping all of your options open - hopefully, that's the case with the Texans this year also.
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The PUP lists are separate but related. You can't go on the reserve (regular season) PUP list unless you've previously been put on the active (pre-season) PUP. I don't believe you can place players on the reserve list until the end of the pre-season, so these guys have to be on the active PUP.

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Hmm, I was unaware the ActivePUP players actually count against the roster limit of 80. There will be a few players getting a lot of work. Hopefully not too much.

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D-Rob has the Texans right where he wants them. Behind the 8-ball at CB.
No....he doesn't. Dunta has practically no leverage what so ever.
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I'm not too surprised by this. Hill has been labelled by some as "injury prone." He missed the entire 2007 season with an ACL tear and 4 months of the 2008 season with a chest muscle injury of some sort. It could be that he reinjure his "chest" in the weight room. It'll be interesting to see if his absence is related to either of these past injuries.
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No....he doesn't. Dunta has practically no leverage what so ever.
I dunno 'bout you, but 10 million bucks sounds like serious leverage to me ?
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