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Old 02-05-2005   #21
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hmmm how about Steve Mckinney i mean really,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ok ok dont worry i'm joking !! had ya scared didnt i ? Ok my vote goes to i would have to agree with Sassy its gotta be Jamie Sharper !
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I'll choose the Pro Bowler ahead of the career pace's of guys like Chris Carter and Jerry Rice.
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well jamie sharper has been very good, and if not for our records should of been to the pro bowl the last 2 seasons !
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if there is a defensive franchise player it definatly has to be Junior Ioane
He has the coolest name of all the Texans by far!!
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Old 02-05-2005   #25
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has he ever even played in a game ? i havent ever seen him !
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Definately Johnson. Maybe DD can stay healthy all next season and take the title. Dunta has the Defensive side by a landslide.
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I would say AJ only because he's the one player I hear and read other teams fans and the TV guys talking about. Close second would be David but I'll say AJ.
Why don't you form your own opinion by watching the games and analyzing them yourself instead of listening to what the biased media has to say? A clear example of one of the things wrong with this country. Too many people letting what others say form their opinion instead of forming one of their own. I would have to say ANDRE JOHNSON is the TEAM MVP. I love Carr and think he is a close second. But, the Texans can win football games without David. Sure the Texans can win without Johnson as well. Tony Banks is an admirable backup who has proven himself in the past. If you take away Johnson, Gafney and Bradford are a HUGE step back. Especially in the case of Bradford. The argument also depends on the way you look at it - What MVP means. Is it the best player or most important player. I think Andre is the best player and most important as the team stands now. But if Banks is gone and Ragone is suddenly the backup, I would say Carr is the MVP, in the context of valuable to the team. Remember the J'Ville game at J'Ville in the second year with Ragone starting. It was disgusting. Remember last year with Carr starting? Victory. Certainly different teams, different year, but there was a drastic change with Carr on the field.
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Remember the J'Ville game at J'Ville in the second year with Ragone starting. It was disgusting.
Yes it was disgusting. But what was really disgusting was everyone that put the blame at Ragone's/Hollings' feet when a blind analyst from a box seat could have seen the OL all put on Micky Mouse hats and drew red capes at the sideline before walking on the field to either run or pass block--and frankly the WR's decided to have a case of the dropseys as well that day, not to mention the D deciding they wouldn't play if the O wasn't going to give them a chance to win anyway.
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Yes it was disgusting. But what was really disgusting was everyone that put the blame at Ragone's/Hollings' feet when a blind analyst from a box seat could have seen the OL all put on Micky Mouse hats and drew red capes at the sideline before walking on the field to either run or pass block--and frankly the WR's decided to have a case of the dropseys as well that day, not to mention the D deciding they wouldn't play if the O wasn't going to give them a chance to win anyway.
And he played real well the next game against Tampa.

GAMEDATE Opp RESULT Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate
12/07 @Jacksonville L 0-27 23 11 47.8 71 0 1 36.7
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And he played real well the next game against Tampa.

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12/14 @Tampa Bay L 3-16 17 9 52.9 64 0 0 61.9
But if you remember, AJ dropped 3 passes from Ragone against TB and of those passes would of been good for about 40 yards and once of them could of been taken to the house.
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Are you guys kidding? It's TORO!
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The "franchise" is David Carr. You can go around to anyone in houston, and they'd know who he is...he is the face of the organization...talent wise though, I'd go Andre Johnson. I actually pulled out the Nebraska/Miami game from the Rose Bowl his sophomore year I believe? and he absolutely rocked that game.
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And he played real well the next game against Tampa.

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12/14 @Tampa Bay L 3-16 17 9 52.9 64 0 0 61.9
Yeah and the OL still wasn't done with their torreador act giving up 5 sacks. IMO it is just silly to think those two games gave any indication of Ragone's ability.
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JJ Moses for sure.
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I think DD is going to be a future franchise rb.
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JJ Moses for sure.
If only he could part defenses like his namesake could the Red Sea . . .
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Yeah and the OL still wasn't done with their torreador act giving up 5 sacks. IMO it is just silly to think those two games gave any indication of Ragone's ability.
So what is a good indication how how good of an NFL player he will be? Since putting him in the games and letting him play isnt according to you.
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So what is a good indication how how good of an NFL player he will be? Since putting him in the games and letting him play isnt according to you.
Well hmmm let's see--how about putting him in the game behind an OL that is actually working? Hey that could work.
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franchise player we'd never get rid of? Jamie sharper! oh...wait...
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I still say Sharper is one of our MVP's.. I believe there is more to the story than meets the eye.. I could be wrong.. My view is Casserly wants to redo Sharpers contract (being he has one more year), Sharper is playing hardball, so the Texans are playing it also.. (i.e. see Pace thread). One.. I don't blame Sharper,he has been giving it all for 3 years now and his next contract will more than likely be his last... two I don't blame the texans.. They want (if my theory is right) to keep him here without him getting through the last year of his contract.. if he does.. what do we do? we franchise him (i.e. pace) and then we either pay him average of the top salary or trade him then (which in no way we will get 2 first rounders for him) ... with that we lose him to nothing, so it is better IMO to get something for him now
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