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Old 07-22-2009   #21
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Still takes up a roster spot. I think the staff essentially decided Buter was good enough to stick in cutting Salaam. I'm going to say Buter's spot is pretty safe.
True, it makes more sense to keep Butler and Jones than Studdard, especially with Caldwell in. White is probably fighting for his job, as Barrett had mentioned.
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If you cut Butler who is the backup tackle? We already would be in a bad spot if Brown or Winston got injured we'd be absolutely screwed in your scenario. What would you do shift Pitts outside and rotate Caldwell or Myers to G? Butler is going to stay, but I agree Studdard. I just am not even sure he's backup material at this point.
If either tackle goes down, I am unsure if Butler can hold a starter job. I think the team will be on look out for a tackle cast off from another team.
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No one is mentioning Jesse Nading who played alot the last 4 weeks of the season. He's another DE athletic guy. Probably looses any shot with the addition of Barwin but it's worth mentioning that he did see considerable playing time in the end of the year. Barwin, Nading and Bulman offer a nice rotation opposite Williams. Certianly in passing situations.
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And given his recent hernia surgery, T.J. goes from cut to the PUP list. It's still an open roster spot.
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David Anderson is not a playmaker in my summation. He is a hard working guy who runs good routes and knows the system well. I hope to see him improve this year. OR beat out by Jenkins or Jones.
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David Anderson is not a playmaker in my summation. He is a hard working guy who runs good routes and knows the system well. I hope to see him improve this year. OR beat out by Jenkins or Jones.
ad is beter at play makeing so.... ad should win the spot =]
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If either tackle goes down, I am unsure if Butler can hold a starter job. I think the team will be on look out for a tackle cast off from another team.
We can always bring back Charles Spencer.
He was cut when the Jags drafted a couple of guys.
But the Giants did bring him in for a try-out.

Can he still play?
Well, may be not!
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We can always bring back Charles Spencer.
He was cut when the Jags drafted a couple of guys.
But the Giants did bring him in for a try-out.

Can he still play?
Well, may be not!
he plays with united football now =[
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You got me. Spent too much time typing up my masterpiece. I will say that I DO NOT see Nading beating out Bulman. But I could see them keeping one extra DE this year since it seems pretty much fact that Smith will slide inside on passing downs. However, I also am quietly thinking that Connor Barwin could be a superstar and if so Bulman/Nading become a single depth "athletic pass rusher type guy" so one of them would have to go. Maybe not this year though.
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If either tackle goes down, I am unsure if Butler can hold a starter job. I think the team will be on look out for a tackle cast off from another team.
I think he'll be ok for the season if one of the starters goes down. If Both go down, we're screwed. Though I am inclined to agree on him being a long term starter.
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You got me. Spent too much time typing up my masterpiece. I will say that I DO NOT see Nading beating out Bulman. But I could see them keeping one extra DE this year since it seems pretty much fact that Smith will slide inside on passing downs. However, I also am quietly thinking that Connor Barwin could be a superstar and if so Bulman/Nading become a single depth "athletic pass rusher type guy" so one of them would have to go. Maybe not this year though.
the interesting thing about this position is that C. Barwin is basically Jesse Nading with better name recognition.


I hadn't thought of it like this before but - as much as I hate to admit it - all those guys saying "why did we need to draft Barwin when we have Bulman/Nading already? We couldda had a RB!" may have a point.
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the interesting thing about this position is that C. Barwin is basically Jesse Nading with better name recognition.


I hadn't thought of it like this before but - as much as I hate to admit it - all those guys saying "why did we need to draft Barwin when we have Bulman/Nading already? We couldda had a RB!" may have a point.
You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.

This is the same shit people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin.
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You may only activate 7 on game day but no team in the NFL is foolish to enter the season with only 7 OL on the roster... perhaps a team decimated with injuries has ended the season, or played part of a season with only 7... But, show me an example of a team starting week one with only 7 OLmen on the roster... by choice.
I was just going by what Pitts mentioned in his interview, that in the past few years we've been pushing it as far as how few lineman we have active on game day. Obviously you want depth on the inactive roster too and that will be there, but in terms of whose active on game day, its very possibly 7 is the number of OL.
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Sorry about all the mistakes. Its been a long day at work. I was on hold for an hour and a half while I was writing this.

I even spelled Slaton's name Straton at first.

I need a beer.

Oh, and I did mean McCain.
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You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.

This is the same shit people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin.
All I'm saying both were drafted in the same round, though granted we didn't give up anything for Barwin, and have similar abilities. I know a lot of people were projecting him to be a tweener, and we're going to run him full time at DE.

I just hope he matches the hype some of the people around here are giving.That said I don't think Babin was outright terrible. I jsut think he could never match what people wanted given what we gave up for him. He also had learn a new position then move back to DE.

Gotta admit I am a little impressed with you branching out from Reverse discrimination from the NSZ to here. Fantastic!

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David Anderson is not a playmaker in my summation. He is a hard working guy who runs good routes and knows the system well. I hope to see him improve this year. OR beat out by Jenkins or Jones.
I would have to disagree with that. I think Anderson is a playmaker. I would rank him up there with a Welker, S. Moss, Coles, Holmes.

He is fast, quick, and walks with a swagger. The best is yet to come from Anderson.
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the interesting thing about this position is that C. Barwin is basically Jesse Nading with better name recognition.


I hadn't thought of it like this before but - as much as I hate to admit it - all those guys saying "why did we need to draft Barwin when we have Bulman/Nading already? We couldda had a RB!" may have a point.

I don't know Nading's history so I'll take you at your opinion on this one but Barwin was one of the top performers at the combine across the board. He was a sack leader in his conference in 1 season at that position. I have to say that I don't expect many people to agree with you on this parallel.

Can you (or someone) back this up that Nading and Barwin have similarities in their ability? I know Nading is supposed to be an athletic DE and so is Barwin but that's as far as I know that it's similar. Physically, Barwin appears to be an elite athlete whereas Nading is "athletic" if you can see the diference I'm trying to draw.

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You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.

This is the same shit people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin.
Slow down there tiger. I think you're reading an awful lot of intent into his post.
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One of the rookie RB's

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All I'm saying both were drafted in the same round, though granted we didn't give up anything for Barwin, and have similar abilities. I know a lot of people were projecting him to be a tweener, and we're going to run him full time at DE.
Nading was an undrafted free agent. Nading has also played at DE since high school, yet his best season at the collegiate level was in 05-06 when he had 10.5 TFL and 4 sacks. On the other hand, Barwin in his first season ever at the position had 16 TFL and 11 sacks.

So you say they have similar abilities yet Barwin clearly had the better career even though he only spent one season at the position. Also, lets look at their pro day numbers. Barwin ran a 4.47 40 with some clocking him between 4.43-4.45, put up 23 reps on the bench press, and at the combine had a 40 1/2 in. vertical, and a 10-foot-8 broad jump. Nading ran a 4.75 40 and had a 36 inch vertical leap. I couldn't find his bench press numbers.

I really don't see a ton of similarities other than the fact that they are both white.

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I don't know Nading's history so I'll take you at your opinion on this one but Barwin was one of the top performers at the combine across the board. He was a sack leader in his conference in 1 season at that position. I have to say that I don't expect many people to agree with you on this parallel.

Can you (or someone) back this up that Nading and Barwin have similarities in their ability? I know Nading is supposed to be an athletic DE and so is Barwin but that's as far as I know that it's similar. Physically, Barwin appears to be an elite athlete whereas Nading is "athletic" if you can see the diference I'm trying to draw.
As I posted above, there aren't many similarities between Nading and Barwin.

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I don't think he or anyone else is doing it on purpose. There just is not substantial evidence to compare Nading/Babin/Bulman with Barwin other than the fact they are all white guys.
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I would have to disagree with that. I think Anderson is a playmaker. I would rank him up there with a Welker, S. Moss, Coles, Holmes.

He is fast, quick, and walks with a swagger. The best is yet to come from Anderson.
I agree as well. DA has just scratched the surface of what he can do. Those other guys, Welker, S. Moss Coles etc. are targeted as their teams #1 receiving options basically, even if they are slot receivers. I believe DA will become an even bigger part of this offense this year being targeted more, which will lead to the bigger #'s and more recognition.

Remember his 65 yard reception in Oakland? Can't say that guy ain't a playmaker.
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