Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > The National Football League
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


The National Football League League News & Current Events

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-20-2009   #1
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,512
Rep Power: 109004 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Santa Clara 49ers

excellent article on the state of the 49er franchise.
Quote:
Behind the 49ers stadium mess

John Coté, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, July 12, 2009

If not for a federal wiretap and a $400,000 bribe to the former governor of Louisiana, the San Francisco 49ers might have settled into a new stadium here years ago instead of now trying to leave the city where they were born.

Then-team owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr.'s bribe for a riverboat casino license in 1997 threw the 49ers into a two-year ownership limbo that helped kill a Candlestick Point shopping mall and stadium project that was to host the 2003 Super Bowl.

"If Eddie had not lost control of the team, the stadium project at Candlestick Point would definitely have gone forward," said former 49ers President Carmen Policy, the team's point man on that deal and now a consultant aiding Mayor Gavin Newsom's efforts to keep the team from moving.

"The stadium would have been built," Policy said.

Instead, DeBartolo resigned as team chairman, pleaded guilty to a felony and was later given a one-year league suspension. His sister and brother-in-law, with no previous experience running a pro football team, took over the 49ers. Policy left the team. The stadium project stalled.

That, coupled with the continued deterioration of Candlestick Park and the challenges of building a major venue along San Francisco's southeastern waterfront, paved the Niners' road south to Silicon Valley, former team officials and city leaders said.

A 63-year tradition

If the 49ers leave, it would mean the end of a 63-year tradition and the loss of a team that former Mayor now-Sen. Dianne Feinstein called part of the city's "critical history." The Niners' five Super Bowl wins starting in 1982 provided a rallying point for a city racked by the Jonestown massacre, the assassinations of Supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone and later the AIDS epidemic.

Owners Denise DeBartolo York, husband Dr. John York and now their son, Jed York - after abruptly pulling out of a mixed-use development and stadium project at San Francisco's Candlestick Point in November 2006 - say they hope to move the 49ers to Santa Clara.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0LmeYZv7i
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #2
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
 
Blazing Arrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 2,906
Rep Power: 258 Blazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via MSN to Blazing Arrow
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Candlestick is a terrible park. I think it is actually called Monster park now but it is in a horrible location and hard to get to. No mass transit at all accept the bus.

Santa Clara has wanted the team forever though and they always say the move is going to happen then it never does. I know the stadium is a big issue in the city because of the amount of money needed to build it. I also think the plan is to build it fairly close to Great America and amusement park and the owners of the park are suing the stadium people over it.

Newsom has also repeatedly said that the team will most likely not move and he is doing all he can to keep them in SF.
__________________


RIP Steve ... you showed us what a warrior truly is.
Blazing Arrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #3
Texan_Bill 
Subscribed Contributor
 
Texan_Bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Houston. Mediocrity Lives Here!!
Section: Bull Pen!!
Age: 46
Posts: 47,885
Rep Power: 79376 Texan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

The 49ers in Santa Clara isn't a big deal. They're like 45 miles apart. The diehard Niners fans would still make the trip.
__________________
We SUCK AGAIN!
Texan_Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #4
brakos82
Hall of Fame
 
brakos82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: LOHAR (Land of Hipsters and Rain)
Section: 1009 E. Union
Posts: 19,692
Rep Power: 48009 brakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to brakos82
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

I've been to Santa Clara. There was a woman in the Wal-Mart parking lot who was standing in a parking bot clear back at the far end of the parking lot. She said she was saving the spot for somebody. We came back out 20 minutes later and the person didn't take the spot.
brakos82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #5
GuerillaBlack
Money!
 
GuerillaBlack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Montrose
Age: 22
Posts: 9,013
Rep Power: 15293 GuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow View Post
Candlestick is a terrible park. I think it is actually called Monster park now but it is in a horrible location and hard to get to. No mass transit at all accept the bus.

Santa Clara has wanted the team forever though and they always say the move is going to happen then it never does. I know the stadium is a big issue in the city because of the amount of money needed to build it. I also think the plan is to build it fairly close to Great America and amusement park and the owners of the park are suing the stadium people over it.

Newsom has also repeatedly said that the team will most likely not move and he is doing all he can to keep them in SF.
Isn't there a light rail stop nearby on San Fran's MUNI system?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan_Bill View Post
The 49ers in Santa Clara isn't a big deal. They're like 45 miles apart. The diehard Niners fans would still make the trip.
Yep. Not to mention that it is still in the market area. It's right next to San Jose. It would almost be like putting a team in The Woodlands or League City.
GuerillaBlack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #6
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,512
Rep Power: 109004 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

There is a ton of discussion on the 9er board about this if any of you guys are interested in their fan takes on this. There is even a dedicated forum that centers on this topic.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #7
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,800
Rep Power: 7857 El Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respectedEl Tejano is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Boo Hoo! They are moving to a different city. How about a whole fricking state?
El Tejano is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 07-20-2009   #8
TEXANRED
Texan-American
 
TEXANRED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 38
Posts: 6,626
Rep Power: 30712 TEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
The Niners' five Super Bowl wins starting in 1982 provided a rallying point for a city racked by the Jonestown massacre, the assassinations of Supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone and later the AIDS epidemic.
They forgot to add full house to the list of San Fran atrocities.
__________________
I am in an abusive relationship with life and I am to cowardly to leave it. - Homer Simpson.

TEXANRED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #9
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,512
Rep Power: 109004 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Tejano View Post
Boo Hoo! They are moving to a different city. How about a whole fricking state?
figured our fans base would be sensitive to others who may lose a team since we know what it feels like. It's not like the situation is resolved. I don't think stuff like this is good for the league in general.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #10
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
 
Carr Bombed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Wherever the US govt. sends me
Posts: 13,472
Rep Power: 57907 Carr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respectedCarr Bombed is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack View Post
Yep. Not to mention that it is still in the market area. It's right next to San Jose. It would almost be like putting a team in The Woodlands or League City.
Or like how the Dallas Cowboys played in Irving for 37 years and like how they're now playing in Arlington.
Carr Bombed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #11
GuerillaBlack
Money!
 
GuerillaBlack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Montrose
Age: 22
Posts: 9,013
Rep Power: 15293 GuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respectedGuerillaBlack is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny View Post
figured our fans base would be sensitive to others who may lose a team since we know what it feels like. It's not like the situation is resolved. I don't think stuff like this is good for the league in general.
Are they really losing the team though? They aren't going that far area, and Santa Clara is apart of the entire San Fran-Oakland-San Jose Bay Area. It's like the Texans moving out to the suburbs or something.
GuerillaBlack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #12
brakos82
Hall of Fame
 
brakos82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: LOHAR (Land of Hipsters and Rain)
Section: 1009 E. Union
Posts: 19,692
Rep Power: 48009 brakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to brakos82
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Arlington, TX... Foxboro, MA... (they were originally called the Boston Patriots, so shut up )... Alexandria, VA... this is nothing new.

I mean, two teams that are "in" New York are in New Jersey...
brakos82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #13
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
 
Blazing Arrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 2,906
Rep Power: 258 Blazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via MSN to Blazing Arrow
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack View Post
Isn't there a light rail stop nearby on San Fran's MUNI system?



Yep. Not to mention that it is still in the market area. It's right next to San Jose. It would almost be like putting a team in The Woodlands or League City.

They have the electric busses but I am pretty sure MUNI does not go there. If you drive it is a nightmare.

Santa Clara is a lot easier to get in and out of from all different directions. Plus Monster park is a pile. The thing has needed upgrades for more then a decade now.

The chokeland faiders need a new park as well. The A's are thinking of moving because of this. O-town has a ton of area to put a new stadium but it would never pass a vote.
__________________


RIP Steve ... you showed us what a warrior truly is.
Blazing Arrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #14
Texan_Bill 
Subscribed Contributor
 
Texan_Bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Houston. Mediocrity Lives Here!!
Section: Bull Pen!!
Age: 46
Posts: 47,885
Rep Power: 79376 Texan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by TEXANRED View Post
They forgot to add full house to the list of San Fran atrocities.
^^^Repped.


I think it's at least time that a team with 5 Super Bowls gets a new stadium.
__________________
We SUCK AGAIN!
Texan_Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #15
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
 
Blazing Arrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 2,906
Rep Power: 258 Blazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via MSN to Blazing Arrow
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack View Post
Are they really losing the team though? They aren't going that far area, and Santa Clara is apart of the entire San Fran-Oakland-San Jose Bay Area. It's like the Texans moving out to the suburbs or something.
It would take someone by the current park more then an hour to get there. It is a drive and a lot of busy freeways.
__________________


RIP Steve ... you showed us what a warrior truly is.
Blazing Arrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #16
brakos82
Hall of Fame
 
brakos82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: LOHAR (Land of Hipsters and Rain)
Section: 1009 E. Union
Posts: 19,692
Rep Power: 48009 brakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to brakos82
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

I bet the Golden Gate would make a few more hundreds of thousands in tolls every home game. They may have an idea here...
brakos82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #17
Texan_Bill 
Subscribed Contributor
 
Texan_Bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Houston. Mediocrity Lives Here!!
Section: Bull Pen!!
Age: 46
Posts: 47,885
Rep Power: 79376 Texan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan_Bill is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blazing Arrow View Post
It would take someone by the current park more then an hour to get there. It is a drive and a lot of busy freeways.
Meh, we have fans that drive from Austin. The Niner diehard fans will drive 45 miles.

BTW, it can take an hour to drive from one end of Houston to the other.
__________________
We SUCK AGAIN!
Texan_Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #18
brakos82
Hall of Fame
 
brakos82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: LOHAR (Land of Hipsters and Rain)
Section: 1009 E. Union
Posts: 19,692
Rep Power: 48009 brakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respectedbrakos82 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to brakos82
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan_Bill View Post
Meh, we have fans that drive from Austin. The Niner diehard fans will drive 45 miles.

BTW, it can take an hour to drive from one end of Houston to the other.
And that's at 3 in the morning. Any other hour, good luck.
brakos82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #19
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
 
Blazing Arrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 2,906
Rep Power: 258 Blazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via MSN to Blazing Arrow
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan_Bill View Post
Meh, we have fans that drive from Austin. The Niner diehard fans will drive 45 miles.

BTW, it can take an hour to drive from one end of Houston to the other.
Same with SF. If you are near that park you know you are no where close to home and in for a drive. It is just in a really crappy area.
__________________


RIP Steve ... you showed us what a warrior truly is.
Blazing Arrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2009   #20
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
 
Blazing Arrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 2,906
Rep Power: 258 Blazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respectedBlazing Arrow is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via MSN to Blazing Arrow
Default Re: Santa Clara 49ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by brakos82 View Post
I bet the Golden Gate would make a few more hundreds of thousands in tolls every home game. They may have an idea here...
If you are in SF the drive to Santa Clara does not involve a bridge.
__________________


RIP Steve ... you showed us what a warrior truly is.
Blazing Arrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > The National Football League
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger