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Blake · 02-03-2005

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Originally Posted by ledzeppelin269

By the way, it's "Jason" Babin. And this wasn't in the above post, but if I see "Juppro" instead of "Joppru" one more time I might lose it.

I think he was making fun of an article that had Justin Babin in it, instead of Jason Babin.

ledzeppelin229 · 02-03-2005

Ok, well that makes sense. I was kind of in a rush before going to class and names repeatedly being spelled wrong goes to my head after awhile.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 02-03-2005

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Originally Posted by LikeABoss

Why would Smith be moved to NT if Payne is resigned, and Spears is drafted????

Because Robaire Smith is an upgrade over Payne at NT and Spears would be an upgrade over anyone we have at DE.

LikeABoss · 02-03-2005

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Originally Posted by STEEL BLUE TEXANS

Because Robaire Smith is an upgrade over Payne at NT and Spears would be an upgrade over anyone we have at DE.

IMO I think Payne is servicable for another year while developing a rookie DT to take over the next season. Smith can play either position, but I think he is good staying at the RDE position, but we need to draft a NT in the later rounds to take over for Payne. We need more youth and athleticism on the D-line IMO. The front seven is the reason why this defense has struggled the past two seasons IMO.

**infantrycak** · 02-03-2005

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Originally Posted by STEEL BLUE TEXANS

Because Robaire Smith is an upgrade over Payne at NT and Spears would be an upgrade over anyone we have at DE.

Wow, why didn't you e-mail that to Capers last season? Seriously, Payne is very good at NT--look at the last half of the season for reference. I doubt very seriously, the Texans have not considered putting Smith at NT. Result--he stayed at RDE and DeLoach came in at NT. And Spears would be an upgrade from 2004 Walker, a downgrade from 2002 Walker and a downgrade from 2004 Smith IMO for 2005. Fine to draft him, but it is by no means sure he will win a starting job--which is fine by the way and a sign of serious development for the team when 1st and 2nd round picks aren't automatic starters.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 02-03-2005

Payne is an average NT. When will some of you realize that.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 02-03-2005

they both had 2 sacks

Wolf · 02-04-2005

if we pick at 13 and those guys would be available .. I would think Casserly would trade down a couple of spots and gain being we have about 4 options there. and if not.. I am thinking we go with DJ.. he is too good to pass up.

People say that DJ weakness is teams run at him...heck isn't that what they do to Foreman anyway? and at least DJ has some speed advantage and you can't coach speed.

Honoring Earl 34 · 02-04-2005

Payne has had two leg injuries in two years . Payne is a good hard nosed player who does his job . If an average playing career for a RB is four years , I bet a nose gaurds is less. I'm not sure you put a player you plan on keeping ten years at noegaurd .

Wild Bill · 02-04-2005

All this talk about DJ having problems getting off of blocks is crazy. I've heard all the analysis from every draft analysist's but tell me, what linebacker isn't going to have trouble getting off of blocks if you have O-Lineman all over you because you D-Lineman dont hold the point of attack???

That is why Ray Lewis was so dominate during their Super Bowl run. Tony Saragusa and team dominate the point of attack which freed up Ray Lewis and squad to have a field day crushing the run.

The answer is simple. Get a monster interior D-Lineman who isn't going to get blown off of the ball and is going to hold the point of attack, and the Linebackers will have open shots at the ball carriers and quarterbacks.

The problem is, your not going to get everything at one time. If DJ is available at 13, which I don't think he will, then you draft him. If not, you draft a stud for the D-Line like Marcus Spears and try to get a big N-Tackle in the later rounds. Seth Payne is a good player, but he does get pushed around alot and doesn't hold the point of attack.

Maybe we could persuade the Goose to come out of retirement.... Or even better, why don't we just tell Buffalo to give us Sam Adams, or tell Pittsburg to give us Casey Hampton. Maybe Detroit would be willing to give us Shaun Rogers. Obviously, I'm just kidding.

We're four years in, and like every team, we still have holes to fill and the Texans Charlie Casserly and team has done a fantastic job of getting players and building depth. Dom Capers understands defense and knows what it takes to build a shutdown defense. Look at his Carolina team, great D-Line, and linebackers. He'll do the same here.

We have improved every year and will continue to do so. We have a couple of holes to fill on the defense, obviously. But as important as the defense, as we have all broken down very well, we have to figure out some way to address the O-Line. Every successful team starts and ends in the trenches (both O-Line and D-Line). If they can get David Carr more time to set in the pocket to find receivers and let routes develop, our offense will be one of the tops in the NFL. Maybe we could convince some of the other teams in the first round to let us have their picks so we can pick all of the top players at both O-Line and Defense..... Yeah right!!

Of course, all of the above is in my humble opinion.......

Honoring Earl 34 · 02-04-2005

Ray Lewis had Saragusa and Sam Adams at DTs . I am of the opionon that it starts in the trenches . If you lose there your done . I think that you don't have to have giant guys if you have decent size and are quick . If I'm playing Nose tackle and I penetrate enough to draw a guard I have tied up two OL .

Cincinnatikid · 02-04-2005

Not that ray lewis isnt good, but when you had the goose and adams in the middle, how could you run against them? THey took up 4 blockers themselves and there would be no where in the middle to run. Of course Lewis made tackles because everything was either stuffed up or stretched outside. If this team had taht in the middle you got Sharper running sideways to make the tackles with forward momentum and you got peek and babin running people down in the backfield with their speed. The Dline needs the upgrade period. Another ILB would be nice but this team has talent already that cant be utilized until they get some help.

**beerlover** · 02-04-2005

if Marcus Spears is available when the Texans draft then we can all agree who that pick should be. however if he is off the board any other DL in this years draft will have to be developed before making his impact felt. remember the #1 need is pass protection for Carr. if Carr can stay in the pocket (without fear) he will be more effective as will the Texans offense + rest for the defense, a strong offense is the best defense. as Vinny traded down & made his pick of David Baas (replacement for McKinney @ Center) he hit the nail on the head. maybe not the sexy move, but if it helps Carr reach his potential that would be brilliant. if Spears is available I'd take him. then try as they did last year to trade down into the 1st round with another package of picks to get Baas

Honoring Earl 34 · 02-04-2005

Its no accident great middle linebackers have great lines in front . Jack Lambert had Mean Joe and Ernie Holmes. Lee Roy Jordan had Bob Lilly and Jethro Pugh . Mike Singletary Had the Fridge and Mongo . If offense is addition and defense is subtraction . What you try to take away on defense your trying to add on offense . Meaning our OL needs to improve alot to keep the QB upright .

02-04-2005	#28
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,820 Rep Power: 40226	if we pick at 13 and those guys would be available .. I would think Casserly would trade down a couple of spots and gain being we have about 4 options there. and if not.. I am thinking we go with DJ.. he is too good to pass up. People say that DJ weakness is teams run at him...heck isn't that what they do to Foreman anyway? and at least DJ has some speed advantage and you can't coach speed. __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store

02-04-2005	#30
Wild Bill Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Humble area Age: 37 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	All this talk about DJ having problems getting off of blocks is crazy. I've heard all the analysis from every draft analysist's but tell me, what linebacker isn't going to have trouble getting off of blocks if you have O-Lineman all over you because you D-Lineman dont hold the point of attack??? That is why Ray Lewis was so dominate during their Super Bowl run. Tony Saragusa and team dominate the point of attack which freed up Ray Lewis and squad to have a field day crushing the run. The answer is simple. Get a monster interior D-Lineman who isn't going to get blown off of the ball and is going to hold the point of attack, and the Linebackers will have open shots at the ball carriers and quarterbacks. The problem is, your not going to get everything at one time. If DJ is available at 13, which I don't think he will, then you draft him. If not, you draft a stud for the D-Line like Marcus Spears and try to get a big N-Tackle in the later rounds. Seth Payne is a good player, but he does get pushed around alot and doesn't hold the point of attack. Maybe we could persuade the Goose to come out of retirement.... Or even better, why don't we just tell Buffalo to give us Sam Adams, or tell Pittsburg to give us Casey Hampton. Maybe Detroit would be willing to give us Shaun Rogers. Obviously, I'm just kidding. We're four years in, and like every team, we still have holes to fill and the Texans Charlie Casserly and team has done a fantastic job of getting players and building depth. Dom Capers understands defense and knows what it takes to build a shutdown defense. Look at his Carolina team, great D-Line, and linebackers. He'll do the same here. We have improved every year and will continue to do so. We have a couple of holes to fill on the defense, obviously. But as important as the defense, as we have all broken down very well, we have to figure out some way to address the O-Line. Every successful team starts and ends in the trenches (both O-Line and D-Line). If they can get David Carr more time to set in the pocket to find receivers and let routes develop, our offense will be one of the tops in the NFL. Maybe we could convince some of the other teams in the first round to let us have their picks so we can pick all of the top players at both O-Line and Defense..... Yeah right!! Of course, all of the above is in my humble opinion....... __________________ The General

02-04-2005	#31
Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston Age: 50 Posts: 16,741 Rep Power: 35890	Ray Lewis had Saragusa and Sam Adams at DTs . I am of the opionon that it starts in the trenches . If you lose there your done . I think that you don't have to have giant guys if you have decent size and are quick . If I'm playing Nose tackle and I penetrate enough to draw a guard I have tied up two OL . Last edited by Honoring Earl 34; 02-04-2005 at 01:30 PM.

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02-03-2005	#26
STEEL BLUE TEXANS Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sugar Land, Texas Age: 30 Posts: 5,327 Rep Power: 1832	Payne is an average NT. When will some of you realize that.

02-04-2005	#32
Cincinnatikid Veteran Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 232 Rep Power: 9	Not that ray lewis isnt good, but when you had the goose and adams in the middle, how could you run against them? THey took up 4 blockers themselves and there would be no where in the middle to run. Of course Lewis made tackles because everything was either stuffed up or stretched outside. If this team had taht in the middle you got Sharper running sideways to make the tackles with forward momentum and you got peek and babin running people down in the backfield with their speed. The Dline needs the upgrade period. Another ILB would be nice but this team has talent already that cant be utilized until they get some help.

02-04-2005	#33
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,357 Rep Power: 15075	if Marcus Spears is available when the Texans draft then we can all agree who that pick should be. however if he is off the board any other DL in this years draft will have to be developed before making his impact felt. remember the #1 need is pass protection for Carr. if Carr can stay in the pocket (without fear) he will be more effective as will the Texans offense + rest for the defense, a strong offense is the best defense. as Vinny traded down & made his pick of David Baas (replacement for McKinney @ Center) he hit the nail on the head. maybe not the sexy move, but if it helps Carr reach his potential that would be brilliant. if Spears is available I'd take him. then try as they did last year to trade down into the 1st round with another package of picks to get Baas

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