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Brian Cushing 38 34.23%
Connor Barwin 37 33.33%
Antoine Caldwell 13 11.71%
Glover Quin 7 6.31%
Anthony Hill 1 0.90%
James Casey 11 9.91%
Brice McCain 0 0%
Troy Nolan 1 0.90%
Arian Foster (UDFA) 3 2.70%
Jeremiah Johnson (UDFA) 0 0%
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Old 07-09-2009   #61
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I say Cushing. I like what he did on a consistant basis in college and that with his physical attributes should translate well in the NFL.


While I may be way off, the Barwin pick screams Babin/Peek to me.
And that scares me. I hope I am wrong. But just throwing combine numbers like 4.47 without pads in a dome does nothing for me. There are a lot of fast undersized people with "potential" who amount to nothing. And only one year of experience isn't a plus for me. Guys like Freeny and Mathis aren't what I would call common.

While there are plenty of positives on him, these type issues bother me...
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Negatives: A bit tight in the hips, is not smooth changing direction or handling coverage in the flat. ... Is not a quick-twitch athlete. ... Although he showed some explosiveness and suddenness off the edge, NFL tackles will be more difficult to beat. ... Inexperienced on defense, played only one season; must continue working on his pass-rushing techniques.

this is just one websites opinion, i am sure others disagree.
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visually aware of how and why our defense has sucked.
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Yep, that's it. Our entire defense sucked because the lack of a superstar FS.

A football team's success starts up front, in the trenches. An offense's success relies on the front 5-7. A defense's success relies on the front 7.

Look around the League, dude. Can you find me a defense that relies primarily on their DB's, much less their freakin FS? LOL, geez
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Yep, that's it. Our entire defense sucked because the lack of a superstar FS.

A football team's success starts up front, in the trenches. An offense's success relies on the front 5-7. A defense's success relies on the front 7.

Look around the League, dude. Can you find me a defense that relies primarily on their DB's, much less their freakin FS? LOL, geez
no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.
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no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.
We were 27th in the League in sacks, 22nd in stopping the run, yet our passing defense ranked 17th. Our secondary must've been doing something right, no?

Eh, obviously I'm not going to make any progress. Carry on
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no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.
I guess you are just going to keep ignoring Eugene Wilson - you know the starting FS who when not on the field wears two Super Bowl rings earned playing that position (and a few games at CB).
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I guess you are just going to keep ignoring Eugene Wilson - you know the starting FS who when not on the field wears two Super Bowl rings earned playing that position (and a few games at CB).
Same Eugene Wilson that has started 20 games over the past 3 years and managed to pick off 3 passes in that same timespan?

Real monster ballhawking FS there.
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Same Eugene Wilson that has started 20 games over the past 3 years and managed to pick off 3 passes in that same timespan?

Real monster ballhawking FS there.
Same Dunta Robinson that hasn't had more than 2 INT's in a season since his rookie year?

Real monster ball hawking CB there.

When Wilson became the starter the position was substantially upgraded. Yes it could be upgraded more as could all but about 3 positions on the team.
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Same Eugene Wilson that has started 20 games over the past 3 years and managed to pick off 3 passes in that same timespan?

Real monster ballhawking FS there.
Okay, let's put your flawed FS>pass rush logic aside for a moment.

You don't even know which safety position the Texans need to step up the most. After Wilson became the starter at FS, SS became the bigger need of the two. There are high hopes for Barber to become that SS we need, but he hasn't yet.
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I-CAK dont confuse SWTB with the facts

Wilson and Ferguson (to a lesser degree) solidified the secondary last year.

The fact that Wilson had only a few int.'s had more to do with the QB having all day to scan the field due to the lack of a pass rush.

If somebody is an upgrade at SS then I could see Ferguson getting replaced.

Smithiak didn't see a S that was good enough to spend a high draft on.

Smithiak chose to not force a pick at S and stayed true to their board. They chose a LB who was a 4 year starter on one the best college defenses in history and a DE with the potential to be a stud.

Instead of choosing Moore who cant cover the slot WR's and misses alot of tackles.

Smithiaks draft may not be as good as th MW-DR- Winston draft but it is better than any other draft in Texans history. IMO
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I picked Cushing.
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Instead of choosing Moore who cant cover the slot WR's and misses alot of tackles.
So all he did was pick off 10 passes his jr year right?

Sounds like another 2nd round one trick pony to me.

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Here it is, the 2009 2nd round. How many assume a starter's amount of snaps?

1 DET Delmas, Louis, CB, Western Michigan
2 NE Chung, Patrick, SS, Oregon
3 STL Laurinaitis, James, ILB, Ohio State
4 CLE Robiskie, Brian, WR, Ohio State
5 DEN Smith, Alphonso, CB, Wake Forest
6 CIN Maualuga, Rey, ILB, Southern Cal
7 JAX Britton, Eben, OT, Arizona
8 NE Brace, Ron, DT, Boston College
9 NE Butler, Darius, CB, Connecticut
10 BUF Byrd, Jairus, CB, Oregon
11 CAR Brown, Everette, DE, Florida State
12 MIA White, Pat, QB, West Virginia
13 NYG Sintim, Clint, OLB, Virginia
14 HOU Barwin, Connor, DE, Cincinnati
15 OAK Mitchell, Michael, S, Ohio
16 DEN McBath, Darcel, CB, Texas Tech
17 SEA Unger, Max, OT, Oregon
18 CLE Massaquoi, Mohamed, WR, Georgia
19 BUF Levitre, Andy, OL, Oregon State
20 CLE Veikune, David, DE, Hawaii
21 PHI McCoy, LeSean, RB, Pittsburgh
22 MIN Loadholt, Phil, OL, Oklahoma
23 ATL Moore, William, S, Missouri
24 IND Moala, Fili, DT, Southern Cal
25 BAL Kruger, Paul, DE, Utah
26 NE Vollmer, Sebastian, OL, Houston
27 CAR Martin, Sherrod, S, Troy
28 NYG Beatty, William, OT, Connecticut
29 MIA Smith, Sean, CB, Utah
30 TEN Marks, Sen'Derrick, DT, Auburn
31 ARI Brown, Cody, DE, Connecticut
32 DEN Quinn, Richard, TE, North Carolina

I count 10 and just to be safe, we'll make it 12. Less than half of these guys will be playing huge roles this season in my opinion. Frankly, if we were going to take a safety 2nd round I'd have picked Sean Smith over a junior season of hype and a senior season of injury.
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Here it is, the 2009 2nd round. How many assume a starter's amount of snaps?

1 DET Delmas, Louis, CB, Western Michigan
2 NE Chung, Patrick, SS, Oregon
3 STL Laurinaitis, James, ILB, Ohio State
4 CLE Robiskie, Brian, WR, Ohio State
5 DEN Smith, Alphonso, CB, Wake Forest
6 CIN Maualuga, Rey, ILB, Southern Cal
7 JAX Britton, Eben, OT, Arizona
8 NE Brace, Ron, DT, Boston College
9 NE Butler, Darius, CB, Connecticut
10 BUF Byrd, Jairus, CB, Oregon
11 CAR Brown, Everette, DE, Florida State
12 MIA White, Pat, QB, West Virginia
13 NYG Sintim, Clint, OLB, Virginia
14 HOU Barwin, Connor, DE, Cincinnati
15 OAK Mitchell, Michael, S, Ohio
16 DEN McBath, Darcel, CB, Texas Tech
17 SEA Unger, Max, OT, Oregon
18 CLE Massaquoi, Mohamed, WR, Georgia
19 BUF Levitre, Andy, OL, Oregon State
20 CLE Veikune, David, DE, Hawaii
21 PHI McCoy, LeSean, RB, Pittsburgh
22 MIN Loadholt, Phil, OL, Oklahoma
23 ATL Moore, William, S, Missouri
24 IND Moala, Fili, DT, Southern Cal
25 BAL Kruger, Paul, DE, Utah
26 NE Vollmer, Sebastian, OL, Houston
27 CAR Martin, Sherrod, S, Troy
28 NYG Beatty, William, OT, Connecticut
29 MIA Smith, Sean, CB, Utah
30 TEN Marks, Sen'Derrick, DT, Auburn
31 ARI Brown, Cody, DE, Connecticut
32 DEN Quinn, Richard, TE, North Carolina

I count 10 and just to be safe, we'll make it 12. Less than half of these guys will be playing huge roles this season in my opinion. Frankly, if we were going to take a safety 2nd round I'd have picked Sean Smith over a junior season of hype and a senior season of injury.
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I voted Caldwell, but I freely admit I am actually a bit more "excited" about James Casey. I recognize that he likely won't do much this year, but I think he can be an exciting player in years to come.

Caldwell is the one I'm happiest about, though.
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17 more days and this will start to become a reality. (22 for vets)
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no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.
I can't get past how one can figure a FS can contribute more to a defense's success than the four DL can. The FS gets in the mix maybe half the time ...mostly on passing plays. On the other hand, one or more of those 4 DL have an opportunity to make a play each and every snap.

But that's not the point of this post... let's look at what teams will pay for a given position. That's usually the most honest indicator of the comparitive worth of each given position.

I searched on "NFL Average Salaries by Position" and found this S.I. link...
1. Quarterback | $1,970,982
2. Defensive End | $1,583,784
3. Offensive Lineman | $1,267,402
4. Defensive Tackle | $1,223,925
5. Cornerback | $1,193,666
6. Linebacker | $1,175,788
7. Wide Receiver | $1,054,437
8. Running Back | $957,360
9. Safety | $947,887
10. Punter/Kicker | $868,005
11. Tight End | $863,414

There was no date on this thing but I suspect its circa 2007-2008; so the average dollar values have no doubt changed (especially with Haynesworth's and Winslow's big paydays) but I'll betcha the rankings haven't. If someone can find a more recent ranking please post it.

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So all he did was pick off 10 passes his jr year right?

Sounds like another 2nd round one trick pony to me.



I think we have some real good shots at adding playmakers in this draft. Quin, Casey, Barwin and yes, Cushing. When all is said and done (in like 2-3 years) we'll have a good discussion on the better of the two!
Moore needs to get healthy and regain his speed if he's going to be a player.

More than the drop off in INTS what bothered me was all of the tackles he kept missing.

You're right it will be interesting to see who the 2nd rd gems will be in 2-3 years.
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You're right it will be interesting to see who the 2nd rd gems will be in 2-3 years.
There are quite a few players that I think will be really good players. The 2nd round talent this year was really good. Up to half of these guys should become starters within 3 years.
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There are quite a few players that I think will be really good players. The 2nd round talent this year was really good. Up to half of these guys should become starters within 3 years.
It's funny how often we see similar statements generically about 1st day picks from a draft or around the league, but for the Texans it is cause for much gnashing of teeth if a player isn't a starter the 1st game, much less 1st year or lord forbid is a complete bust by not starting within the 1st two years.
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