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So I think we've all been wondering how the Texans are going to carry Owen Daniels, Joel Dreesen, Anthony Hill and James Casey on the same roster without having to carry "4 tight ends"

Meaning---JC will be snuck on the roster in some other role (long snapper, receiver, backup fullback, I've even heard 3rd quarterback)

My question is what happens if:

Grigsby proves worthy of the backup fullback job via special teams play and ability to fill in for Leach on the offense

Assume the WR situation holds true and the same 5 from last year make it obviously (JJ the 5th)

Assume JC isn't the long snapper (I don't think he's even getting reps there right now)

Will they have to carry 4 TE's on game day?? It's looking like that is a great possibility...what position will lose a spot now because of this?
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So I think we've all been wondering how the Texans are going to carry Owen Daniels, Joel Dreesen, Anthony Hill and James Casey on the same roster without having to carry "4 tight ends"

Meaning---JC will be snuck on the roster in some other role (long snapper, receiver, backup fullback, I've even heard 3rd quarterback)

My question is what happens if:

Grigsby proves worthy of the backup fullback job via special teams play and ability to fill in for Leach on the offense

Assume the WR situation holds true and the same 5 from last year make it obviously (JJ the 5th)

Assume JC isn't the long snapper (I don't think he's even getting reps there right now)

Will they have to carry 4 TE's on game day?? It's looking like that is a great possibility...what position will lose a spot now because of this?
I think one of your assumptions has to go. My guess is that the 4th TE would double as a long snapper. Kubiak has hinted to it.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Grigsby didn't make it.

What I would really like is for the fifth receiver not to make it, but I'm sure there will be five receivers.

Maybe we lose some line depth with the versatility of Caldwell?
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I think one of your assumptions has to go. My guess is that the 4th TE would double as a long snapper. Kubiak has hinted to it.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Grigsby didn't make it.

What I would really like is for the fifth receiver not to make it, but I'm sure there will be five receivers.

Maybe we lose some line depth with the versatility of Caldwell?
So if Clark Harris makes it as the LS and 4th TE then where does Casey make it as? 6th WR?

If they carried Cecil Sapp as a 2nd FB last year then I'd think they'd carry Grigsby in that same role this year....I don't think Casey can make it as that because if Vonta got hurt you'd need a real FB to fill in like a Grigsby
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Sapp was carried as a FB/RB when he was active.
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JMHO: I think you can draw some inference to what they have done in the past where the FB/ TE is concerned. I think at this point all we can do is offer wild guesses at what they will do. At this point no one, not even Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith knows. And I do not believe Kubiak is going to know for certain until September 8th when he will ultimately have to make a final choice.

What I know for a fact is the final cuts this year will not be pleasant. I do not expect them to sneak too many through final wavers as they have done in the past.
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Also consider we are likely to carry 3 QB's this year. Yeh some good players arent going to make this team.
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Assume the WR situation holds true and the same 5 from last year make it obviously (JJ the 5th)

Assume JC isn't the long snapper (I don't think he's even getting reps there right now)
The WR depth I could very easily see going to 4 with AJ/K-dub/AD/DA and cutting Jamomma. Also Casey has reportedly been working with Matthews on long snapping. I don't know why else he would be doing that unless he was working on it to contribute to the team. He certainly offers more outside of LS than Clark Harris, who I can't even believe is still on the roster.
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DT:Cody, Okoye, TJ, Okam and Deljuan. That's 5 and I could see 4. ALso, SMith can slide inside and I think Bulman has time at DT.
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The WR depth I could very easily see going to 4 with AJ/K-dub/AD/DA and cutting Jamomma. Also Casey has reportedly been working with Matthews on long snapping. I don't know why else he would be doing that unless he was working on it to contribute to the team. He certainly offers more outside of LS than Clark Harris, who I can't even believe is still on the roster.
I could also see that happening. James Casey could easily be the 5th receiver if we needed one sometime in the year. JJ is going to have to show something as a WR if he wants to make this team.
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I could also see that happening. James Casey could easily be the 5th receiver if we needed one sometime in the year. JJ is going to have to show something as a WR if he wants to make this team.
No way JJ gets cut....he would have to take some big steps backwards to get cut...receivers take a while to develop and Kubiak has said a lot of positive things about JJ so far, they think he can still be a receiver in this league from what I've gathered

What about 6 WR's (w/ Casey as the 6th)? They were close to having to carry Harry Williams as the 6th WR last year before his tragic injury.
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No way JJ gets cut....he would have to take some big steps backwards to get cut...receivers take a while to develop and Kubiak has said a lot of positive things about JJ so far, they think he can still be a receiver in this league from what I've gathered
Quite the contrary, I think JJ has to take a big step forward to step out of the way of the axe. I don't believe it takes 3 years to see what a reciever has like it does with DT or QB and the like. Furthermore I think his contributions the last 2 years merit nothing more than a spot at camp. That was then, this is now. What do you have to contribute now Jacoby Jones? Questionable hands, a possible attitude problem and potential don't count this year.
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No way JJ gets cut....he would have to take some big steps backwards to get cut...receivers take a while to develop and Kubiak has said a lot of positive things about JJ so far, they think he can still be a receiver in this league from what I've gathered

What about 6 WR's (w/ Casey as the 6th)? They were close to having to carry Harry Williams as the 6th WR last year before his tragic injury.
Some big steps backward? He only had 81 receiving yards last year, and only has 230 for his career. I hope he has improved his game, but the Texans are improving their depth where I don't think they will carry someone just to be a punt returner.

I don't really see a difference calling Casey the 6th WR instead of the 4th TE.
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Some big steps backward? He only had 81 receiving yards last year, and only has 230 for his career. I hope he has improved his game, but the Texans are improving their depth where I don't think they will carry someone just to be a punt returner.

I don't really see a difference calling Casey the 6th WR instead of the 4th TE.
I view JJ's big play ability on punt returns as a lot more valuable than others I guess, the Texans were 3rd in the league in punt return avg., so essentially JJ is one of the best at returning punts....we've all seen that ability and we've seen the turnovers too so you hope you see improvement there...I think the staff still sees a receiver in him and if you can get him to perform as one of the best players in the league in returning punts in the mean time while he develops then they'll stick with him longer
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So if Clark Harris makes it as the LS and 4th TE then where does Casey make it as? 6th WR?

If they carried Cecil Sapp as a 2nd FB last year then I'd think they'd carry Grigsby in that same role this year....I don't think Casey can make it as that because if Vonta got hurt you'd need a real FB to fill in like a Grigsby
I'm saying that I don't think Clark Harris will make the roster. I think Casey will be the 4th TE and LS.

Or, they will cut JJ, or they will cut Grigsby.

Those are the changes I see to your assumptions.

Outside of your assumptions, maybe we cut a linemen depth guy like Studdard. Someone else pointed out that we could cut some defensive depth too like on the line there.

Best point I've read so far is that not even Smithiak knows for sure at this point.
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I view JJ's big play ability on punt returns as a lot more valuable than others I guess, the Texans were 3rd in the league in punt return avg., so essentially JJ is one of the best at returning punts....we've all seen that ability and we've seen the turnovers too so you hope you see improvement there...I think the staff still sees a receiver in him and if you can get him to perform as one of the best players in the league in returning punts in the mean time while he develops then they'll stick with him longer
JJ's about the third "amazing" returner we've had in a row. Surprisingly, I don't think it carries a lot of weight, and I'm not seeing him as a receiver in this league. I also think his time for potential expires this offseason. He has to show a lot right now. Smithiak is drafting for versatility. They don't want a LS only guy on the roster, and they don't want a PR only guy on the roster either.
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JJ's about the third "amazing" returner we've had in a row. Surprisingly, I don't think it carries a lot of weight, and I'm not seeing him as a receiver in this league. I also think his time for potential expires this offseason. He has to show a lot right now. Smithiak is drafting for versatility. They don't want a LS only guy on the roster, and they don't want a PR only guy on the roster either.
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I view JJ's big play ability on punt returns as a lot more valuable than others I guess, the Texans were 3rd in the league in punt return avg., so essentially JJ is one of the best at returning punts....we've all seen that ability and we've seen the turnovers too so you hope you see improvement there...I think the staff still sees a receiver in him and if you can get him to perform as one of the best players in the league in returning punts in the mean time while he develops then they'll stick with him longer
Don't get me wrong: I like JJ's big play ability. There is better competition to make the roster this year for the Texans then there has ever been, though. I don't see JJ having to make a huge step backwards to get cut. If he just doesn't show any WR ability and still shows his lack of ball control he could easily get cut from the Texans this year. The only reason I mentioned Casey is because of his versatility. He can play WR if the Texans need him to, thus giving them the option of keeping 4 WR's and using JC as the fifth if need be.
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So I think we've all been wondering how the Texans are going to carry Owen Daniels, Joel Dreesen, Anthony Hill and James Casey on the same roster without having to carry "4 tight ends"

Meaning---JC will be snuck on the roster in some other role (long snapper, receiver, backup fullback, I've even heard 3rd quarterback)

My question is what happens if:

Grigsby proves worthy of the backup fullback job via special teams play and ability to fill in for Leach on the offense

Assume the WR situation holds true and the same 5 from last year make it obviously (JJ the 5th)

Assume JC isn't the long snapper (I don't think he's even getting reps there right now)

Will they have to carry 4 TE's on game day?? It's looking like that is a great possibility...what position will lose a spot now because of this?
hmmm maybe we should have drafted a rb in the 4th...just maybe
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So I think we've all been wondering how the Texans are going to carry Owen Daniels, Joel Dreesen, Anthony Hill and James Casey on the same roster without having to carry "4 tight ends"

Meaning---JC will be snuck on the roster in some other role (long snapper, receiver, backup fullback, I've even heard 3rd quarterback)

My question is what happens if:

Grigsby proves worthy of the backup fullback job via special teams play and ability to fill in for Leach on the offense

Assume the WR situation holds true and the same 5 from last year make it obviously (JJ the 5th)

Assume JC isn't the long snapper (I don't think he's even getting reps there right now)

Will they have to carry 4 TE's on game day?? It's looking like that is a great possibility...what position will lose a spot now because of this?
Casey will make the active roster. There's no way he'd clear waivers and make it to our practice squad. Getting time at LS is a possible indicator that the hope is for Casey to be on the roster as a utility guy who brings flexibility without occupying just a single position. I like the move, personally.

There's no way Jacoby Jones get "cut" because he has trade value. What the exact value is, I don't know, but he's trade bait as far as I'm concerned and I bet he's on borrowed time with this bunch of Texans around him. I mean, seriously: There's always some genius GM and HC out there who thinks they can salvage a talented misfit like JJ.

I wonder if they try to sneak Anthony Hill to the practice squad?
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Casey will make the active roster. There's no way he'd clear waivers and make it to our practice squad. Getting time at LS is a possible indicator that the hope is for Casey to be on the roster as a utility guy who brings flexibility without occupying just a single position. I like the move, personally.

There's no way Jacoby Jones get "cut" because he has trade value. What the exact value is, I don't know, but he's trade bait as far as I'm concerned and I bet he's on borrowed time with this bunch of Texans around him. I mean, seriously: There's always some genius GM and HC out there who thinks they can salvage a talented misfit like JJ.

I wonder if they try to sneak Anthony Hill to the practice squad?

NO Way! They are counting on Hill and his blocking ability, especiallly against the 3-4 teams.

I believe that they will carry 4 TE's. They may only have 3 active on some Sunday's, but that will largely depend on the type of TC that JC has and how well the other ST players pan out.
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