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Old 05-22-2009   #1
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Another story of why I hate pit bulls and anybody with small kids should be outlawed against owning them:


According to a neighbor, one of three pit bulls in Mr. Harrison's home on Matterhorn Drive in Franklin Park got loose yesterday afternoon and attacked the child, James Harrison III. Another family member may also have been injured in the attack.


Read more: "Steelers' Harrison's son bitten by his pit bull" - http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09142...xzz0GAfjxNOd&A

We've had other discussions on here about the dangers of owning pits. I'll preface my opinions by saying that I'm a big dog guy. I love German Rottweilers and can't wait to get another one once my daughter is old enough. But pit bulls are another story. That's why I don't blame Vick too much for fighting them. Now, the way he went about torturing them is deplorable. But anybody out there who thinks that pit bulls are good for anything except fighting is fooling themselves. They're just like prize race horses. They're built for two things, winning money and breeding. This is just another example of many as to why people shouldn't own pit bulls with small kids. I hope Harrison's kid is okay, and I pray to God that he's learned his leason about pit bulls.
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When i worked in the Texas Children's Hospital ER, I watched a few surgeries from children who had been bitten by various dogs. The worst bite was from a golden retriever. Lets not turn this into another pit bull debate. Its a sad incident that wouldn't have even made the news if it hadn't been a famous NFL player
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When i worked in the Texas Children's Hospital ER, I watched a few surgeries from children who had been bitten by various dogs. The worst bite was from a golden retriever. Lets not turn this into another pit bull debate. Its a sad incident that wouldn't have even made the news if it hadn't been a famous NFL player
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When i worked in the Texas Children's Hospital ER, I watched a few surgeries from children who had been bitten by various dogs. The worst bite was from a golden retriever. Lets not turn this into another pit bull debate. Its a sad incident that wouldn't have even made the news if it hadn't been a famous NFL player
I can understand where you're coming from, but how often do you hear of a golden retriever biting a kid versus a pit bull. I don't want to turn this into another pit bull debate, but the facts are the facts.
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I can understand where you're coming from, but how often do you hear of a golden retriever biting a kid versus a pit bull. I don't want to turn this into another pit bull debate, but the facts are the facts.
You sure seem to No one is going to argue that pit bulls aren't typically more aggressive than other dogs. Its a trait thats been bred into them. But when you read in the story that the dog "got loose" and bit the kid, that tells me a lot right there. Was this a family dog or was it for protection? Was it a pet or was it chained up outside?

If this dog was used as a defense mechanism or was being trained to fight, what can we expect? Again, no one is going to argue that pits arent more liable to be problem dogs. But there is such a strong relationship to the type of people and type of owners that are likely to have pit bulls and the way they are treated, that its difficult to ascertain how much is dog and how much is lifestyle. Why hasn't rachel ray's dog bitten her? Why haven't any of ceasar milan's many pit bulls gone crazy and killed each other or their family? Theres a lot of factors at play here, and media is a big part of it. just like the rotweiler/german shephard/doberman have all been villified in the past, its all a big circular mess
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Maybe he should have accepted that White House invite.
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My Fiance and I have an 8 year old half pit and half brown lab whom I love dearly. Truth is though, much as I love her I will never fully trust her. She's amazing in the sense she checks her agression well and usually grabs a toy in her mouth when we come close to rough housing to protect us in case she goes overboard. We also have a 1 year old Lab that she loves but again I only trust her so much with him when they play. My fiance gets on to me for yelling at the pit mix whe nshe gets snippy, I just worry that she'll snap like some of the other pits I've heard about.

They're like wolf mixes, might be nice dogs but if you are mistaken if you trust them 100%.

I'm not saying ban the breed but I think they should be dealt with like sex offenders. Any time an owner with one moves into the neighborhood or purchases one the entire neighborhood should be notified so they can be aware of it being there.
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If a chihuahua (hua) had a bigger mouth, I betcha they'd take over the news. Those are angry little dogs.
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When i worked in the Texas Children's Hospital ER, I watched a few surgeries from children who had been bitten by various dogs. The worst bite was from a golden retriever. Lets not turn this into another pit bull debate. Its a sad incident that wouldn't have even made the news if it hadn't been a famous NFL player
I've never heard about a retriever of any kind chewing on somebody, but it seems to be almost commonplace for Pitt Bulls to do it.
I'd be all for the Steelers LBs dog spending a weekend of "training" at Vicks place because as far as I'm concerned this planet already has way too many Pitt Bulls.
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When Harrison was asked by a doctor if it would be okay to put his son's face back together, he replied "No it's not okay! You wouldnt even be talking to me if my son was not attacked by a dog, so why are you talking to me now? You would be talking to the Cardinals if they were attacked by a dog."
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Larry Little, Rams DE, did 90 days in jail after killing another human being because he was driving drunk. How many knew that ? And Vick does 2 years for killing some vicous animals ?
Get off Vicks case and let him have another chance in the NFL people !
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Larry Little, Rams DE, did 90 days in jail after killing another human being because he was driving drunk. How many knew that ? And Vick does 2 years for killing some vicous animals ?
Get off Vicks case and let him have another chance in the NFL people !
The laws in St. Louis have since changed. Today, 90 days would simply be "foreplay." Likewise, the rules and level of enforcement in the NFL have significantly evolved from those in 1998. You can guarantee lifetime ban today for NFL betting. If you want to go back in time to the mid-60's, a "little known player" by the name of Paul Hornung was suspended for only 1 year by Pete Rozelle for "betting on NFL games and associating with gamblers." Things change with time and experience, as they should, as people try to beat the system.......and some still do.
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Larry Little, Rams DE, did 90 days in jail after killing another human being because he was driving drunk. How many knew that ? And Vick does 2 years for killing some vicous animals ?
Get off Vicks case and let him have another chance in the NFL people !
I'm with you. I made the title of the thread trying to add just a smidge of humor to a sad situation. Vick has paid his debt to society and deserves another chance. I put this in another thread, but look at Donte Stallworth right now. Where's the outrage? He got behind the wheel over the limit and killed a man. Where's all the cameras and protestors? Are the lives of dogs valued over the lives of human beings? I wonder how much time he'll get, or even if he gets any time.

(Side Note: It's Leonard Little)

I just get tired of hearing about these dogs attacking people, especially kids. When are people going to learn about the dangers of owning pit bulls?
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Guy maybe blacklisted by all NFL teams! Would surprise me if, someone took him.
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From what I understand pitbulls have surprisingly good people skills... their handlers don't want the dogs to turn on them, after all. My experience speaks to such-had a pitbull for a while, was always a calm and gentle dog.

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You two can speak for yourselves. I for one hope Vick never tarnishes my beloved sport with his bloodied hands ever again. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and it's a privilege Vick lost when he killed those animals in my opinion.

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Larry Little, Rams DE, did 90 days in jail after killing another human being because he was driving drunk. How many knew that ? And Vick does 2 years for killing some vicous animals ?
Get off Vicks case and let him have another chance in the NFL people !
Goodell made no bones about putting the NFL on notice that he would be making changes that would strengthen the NFL Personal Conduct Policy:

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"It is important that the NFL be represented consistently by outstanding people as well as great football players, coaches, and staff," Goodell said. "We hold ourselves to higher standards of responsible conduct because of what it means to be part of the National Football League. We have long had policies and programs designed to encourage responsible behavior, and this policy is a further step in ensuring that everyone who is part of the NFL meets that standard. We will continue to review the policy and modify it as warranted."

The strengthened standards apply to all NFL employees: players, coaches, officials, owners, front-office and league personnel. And Goodell emphasized in the new policy that those standards will be considerably tighter than outside the league.

"It is not enough to simply avoid being found guilty of a crime," the new policy says. "Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful.

"Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime."
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and I have pointed out in the Vick thread, it's not only his disgusting cruel acts that come into play in deciding application of the Conduct Policy.
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