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Old 04-27-2009   #21
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I would not be surprised to see Dunta Robinson, David Anderson, Travis Johnson and Owen Daniels being mentioned in trade discussions. David Anderson or Travis Johnson to the Broncos makes the most sense for one of their RBs in my opinion.
Good list there. I'd hate to see us get rid of Daniels or Anderson, I really like both those guys.

But I could potentially see a David Anderson for Peyton Hillis trade. Hate to see him go but we'd get our other RB spot locked down.

Edit: I was thinking we'd be thin at WR without DA and we'd have to bring another WR in. The more I think about it, We'd have AJ, KW, AD and JJ... this could be where James Casey fits in.
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Denver will end up jettisoning at least a couple of their RB's. Why trade for one when you can be patient and get one for free? I also like Arian Foster as a guy who could stick.
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But I could potentially see a David Anderson for Peyton Hillis trade. Hate to see him go but we'd get our other RB spot locked down.
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I don't want to trade any players for Denver RB's. I would rather wait until they cut some.
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I don't want to trade any players for Denver RB's. I would rather wait until they cut some.
I'm with ya. No need to trade. They are not going to carry 6 RBs on the roster.
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Denver will end up jettisoning at least a couple of their RB's. Why trade for one when you can be patient and get one for free? I also like Arian Foster as a guy who could stick.
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I'm with ya. No need to trade. They are not going to carry 6 RBs on the roster.
Assuming he becomes a free agent, then we'd have to bid against 30 other teams for him. Other teams offering more money. He'd get snatched up before we could even dial (303).
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Assuming he becomes a free agent, then we'd have to bid against 30 other teams for him. Other teams offering more money. He'd get snatched up before we could even dial (303).
I'm not sure why you feel that way...

You really think 30 other teams are going to have interest in the RB's they cut? I don't...I doubt it would be more than 7....

I like our chances at getting one of them in free agency...
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If we want to get an RB of value in a trade, we will have to give something of value in return.

The rest of the league now knows that the Texans are desperate for a solid running back who is ready to play. Whatever teams the Texans try to negotiate with can be expected to use that knowledge to their advantage.
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I'm not sure why you feel that way...

You really think 30 other teams are going to have interest in the RB's they cut? I don't...I doubt it would be more than 7....

I like our chances at getting one of them in free agency...
No, I think 30 other teams would love to get Peyton Hillis. I like our chances of getting one of their backs in free agency too... but not a guy that would make me cross our RB Need off the list. He's the only guy I really want and to get him, we gotta trade for him, imo. I don't think the others that might get cut would offer much more than Chris Brown, Ryan Moats, Arian Foster or Jeremiah Johnson. Bring them in for camp fodder but it would be hard for them to make the active roster.
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Roster cuts to get to the 53 is another way to aquire players.
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No, I think 30 other teams would love to get Peyton Hillis. I like our chances of getting one of their backs in free agency too... but not a guy that would make me cross our RB Need off the list. He's the only guy I really want and to get him, we gotta trade for him, imo. I don't think the others that might get cut would offer much more than Chris Brown, Ryan Moats, Arian Foster or Jeremiah Johnson. Bring them in for camp fodder but it would be hard for them to make the active roster.
Sorry, I think your 30 figure is bloated...

Even if we have to compete for him on the open market I think we'd have a very attractive situation that would be pretty tempting to him...

I like our chances.
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Sorry, I think your 30 figure is bloated...

Even if we have to compete for him on the open market I think we'd have a very attractive situation that would be pretty tempting to him...

I like our chances.
Yes my 30 team number is exhaggerated. My point is that it becomes risky when they hit the open market. It's the same reason why you trade for a guy that has 1 year left on his contract (see Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels, etc etc).

If the Texans covet a player enough to fill this role, it wouldn't surprise me to see a trade one bit. Now maybe they don't like Hillis as much as me which is cool, there's other options. If he's highly coveted by us we should trade for him... but if he's just another option to bring in (while a solid option) then it's best to wait.

I think you're right that we do have an attractive situation. It could be the homerism talking cuz I always think that... but it's obviously we're looking for another RB... preferably big... and he's going to play. He's not just going to sit. There are huge questions marks with the RB's we have and are getting as udfa's.
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There is talk that Edge will be released soon and could be on Texans radar
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Not for the kind of jack he's going to want. He still wants to be the starter and that ain't happening here.
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Not for the kind of jack he's going to want. He still wants to be the starter and that ain't happening here.
Edge is a good one-cut runner, but he is looking exactly like Ahman did a few years ago when we picked him up. Good back, but no thanks.
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At this point I'd rather pick up a bunch of undrafted/waive wire guys that we think can fit in our system...

I don't really want to trade or sign any older backs either...Chris Brown seems to have that on lockdown..
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Also I would rather hang onto DA than trade him. He is a glue guy on offense and it would be better to pick up a FA RB than to send him packing in a trade.
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Yes my 30 team number is exhaggerated. My point is that it becomes risky when they hit the open market. It's the same reason why you trade for a guy that has 1 year left on his contract (see Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels, etc etc).

If the Texans covet a player enough to fill this role, it wouldn't surprise me to see a trade one bit. Now maybe they don't like Hillis as much as me which is cool, there's other options. If he's highly coveted by us we should trade for him... but if he's just another option to bring in (while a solid option) then it's best to wait.

I think you're right that we do have an attractive situation. It could be the homerism talking cuz I always think that... but it's obviously we're looking for another RB... preferably big... and he's going to play. He's not just going to sit. There are huge questions marks with the RB's we have and are getting as udfa's.

I agree. A this point I think that Hillis might be able to be had for a 4th or 5th round pick next season which seems like fair value to me if we were to trade. I think Hillis would be worth it. He proved himself last season.
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Yes my 30 team number is exhaggerated. My point is that it becomes risky when they hit the open market. It's the same reason why you trade for a guy that has 1 year left on his contract (see Matt Schaub, Sage Rosenfels, etc etc).
Those are QB's...Quality QB's are rare compared to quality RB's...

It makes sense to trade for a QB that has starting potential because you pretty much know for a fact that he'll have plenty of suitors...Even teams with established QB's would want him as ins...

RBs....not so much...
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Those are QB's...Quality QB's are rare compared to quality RB's...

It makes sense to trade for a QB that has starting potential because you pretty much know for a fact that he'll have plenty of suitors...Even teams with established QB's would want him as ins...

RBs....not so much...
Valid points and I agree. The QB position holds a premium. A trade for a RB is pretty rare. Although it's not exact, the concept is still the same. Now one good thing, IMO, is that Smith/Kubiak didn't panic over the weekend as far as RB goes. I'd like to know what they really think about the guys we have/got or if they'd even consider a trade. I think for Hillis, I'd offer a Day2 pick or maybe a certain player... but I'm just a fan and not a GM

Hillis is the guy I'm banging for because I think he would complete our offense and he'd be the best option of anybody for our team. The guy is 6'2, 250 lbs and runs in the mid 4.5's. He's a smart player that is hard working and has a high motor (think Owen Daniels as a FB/HB). He fits our offense perfectly. He's a BIG back that's doesn't get stopped in the backfield, he will run over LB's and even DT's, he'll gain the extra yards and is great between the tackles and in short yardage situtations. On top of that, he has great hands and is a good receiver out of the backfield. Will catch the short dump offs and will even make the grabs 15 yards downfield like a TE/WR. He's quick and powerful and I think would be a great (the perfect) compliment to Slaton. Was out the last few games because of a pulled hamstring- supposedly 95% now and should be fine to go in minicamp. We already know he's been successful in the NFL and fits our system. I think we'd be set with Slaton and Hillis. Chris Brown, Arian Foster and Jeremiah Johnson all have HUGE question marks around them. Slaton/Hillis combo... we'd be a top 5-10 rushing team easily.

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