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Old 04-22-2009   #1
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Do you want the Texans to take him?

A lot of experts have no WRs going top 10 and Crabtree could be there at 15 if someone falls for Maclin's speed.

So, would you be happy with Crabtree-Slaton-AJ destroying the NFL for years or would you still want defense?
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Default Re: If Crabtree is at 15...

Personally, I'm more inclined to taking Maclin. I'm not interested in Crabtree with our 15.
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Default Re: If Crabtree is at 15...

I still think the Raiders will grab him.

But if he is available, I say go DEFENSE.
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Default Re: If Crabtree is at 15...

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I still think the Raiders will grab him.

But if he is available, I say go DEFENSE.
See if the Lions are willing to trade half their draft for him...
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Default Re: If Crabtree is at 15...

I think Maclin would be a better pick for our team than Crabtree, too.
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Default Re: If Crabtree is at 15...

ding ding ding ding ding!

time to bank on draft picks with a trade down.

btw, what's your fixation on drafting a receiver high anyways, apple? you and thunder are the only one who feels like WR is a need on this board... a bit peculiar to me since I thought it was a consensus on this board that WR is our deepest position.

Kevin Walter is a solid #2. DA is a great slot receiver and AD is great insurance policy for AJ and can do special team duty. JJ still has load of potential and is an explosive PR. Don't see why we need another receiver, especially high.
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Default Re: If Crabtree is at 15...

If a talent like Crabtree is there, it'd probably best for our team to do a trade down, but just think of the torture our opponents secondary would have to go through covering AJ, Crabtree, Walter, Daniels, etc.
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ding ding ding ding ding!

time to bank on draft picks with a trade down.

btw, what's your fixation on drafting a receiver high anyways, apple? you and thunder are the only one who feels like WR is a need on this board... a bit peculiar to me since I thought it was a consensus on this board that WR is our deepest position.

Kevin Walter is a solid #2. DA is a great slot receiver and AD is great insurance policy for AJ and can do special team duty. JJ still has load of potential and is an explosive PR. Don't see why we need another receiver, especially high.
The Texans defense is terrible and it will take several drafts to fix it. Better IMO to get a No. 1a WR and build the offense to true elite status. The Texans aren't going to win games, let alone playoff births with defensive struggles. I'd rather pair AJ with a stud to shred defenses than waste a pick on another Amobi Okoye that only hinders the team's development
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ding ding ding ding ding!you and thunder are the only one who feels like WR is a need on this board... a bit peculiar to me since I thought it was a consensus on this board that WR is our deepest position.
who said anything about need?
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The Texans defense is terrible and it will take several drafts to fix it. Better IMO to get a No. 1a WR and build the offense to true elite status. The Texans aren't going to win games, let alone playoff births with defensive struggles. I'd rather pair AJ with a stud to shred defenses than waste a pick on another Amobi Okoye that only hinders the team's development
Yes our defense is terrible; it'll get better quicker if we use our high picks to fix the holes on defense. To postpone fixing those holes on defense will only delay their progress, of course.

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure we had a top 10 offense last year, which would put us as borderline elite, if not elite. Even so, our biggest problem was turning the ball over, not our WR. Those turnovers were mainly from QB, so if anything, our starting QB is a bigger problem then our WR. If we do fix the turnover problems, then there will be nothing stopping us from becoming an elite offense; if we're not considered one already.

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who said anything about need?
a trophy player? if he's not a need then why do we need him? seems like that would be a waste of a pick.
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who said anything about need?
I can buy that logic.

I don't know if it'll happen but I'd be happy with that. Real happy. Doesn't mean I'll be angry with the Texans if they pass. They know better than me.

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Yes our defense is terrible; it'll get better quicker if we use our high picks to fix the holes on defense. To postpone fixing those holes on defense will only delay their progress, of course.

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure we had a top 10 offense last year, which would put us as borderline elite, if not elite. Even so, our biggest problem was turning the ball over, not our WR. Those turnovers were mainly from QB, so if anything, our starting QB is a bigger problem then our WR. If we do fix the turnover problems, then there will be nothing stopping us from becoming an elite offense; if we're not considered one already.
Follow the Colts, Rams, and to a lesser extent, the Cardinals. Keep adding high picks to the offense and get just enough defense to get you to the promised land.

Fans here want to be the Eagles or Giants. Wrong teams to follow, as they and their success are nothing like the Texans
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take him. TAKE HIM. TAKE HIM!!!!!

for the most part i lean towards the need first side of the draft spectrum but this is lining up two AJ's opposite each other with KW being the third one in DA playing slot JJ being the specialist and AJ... well he'd probably be cut but still. it's not a need but if we put up 40 a game it doesn't really matter how bad our defense is... well it can't be Denver bad but you know.
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Follow the Colts, Rams, and to a lesser extent, the Cardinals. Keep adding high picks to the offense and get just enough defense to get you to the promised land.

Fans here want to be the Eagles or Giants. Wrong teams to follow, as they and their success are nothing like the Texans
So you are saying pretty much that since we have never had a good defense we never will so don't bother? Please correct me if I'm wrong and explain what you mean by this.
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So you are saying pretty much that since we have never had a good defense we never will so don't bother? Please correct me if I'm wrong and explain what you mean by this.

The Eagles, Steelers, and Giants win by pounding the rock and crushing opponents with violent stunting and bltizing defenses. Many fans on this board want this to be the Texans. That is sadly an empty dream

Except for a few rare exceptions, thanks to cap space, you are either an offensive or defensive team. There is no real room for balance in the modern NFL. Trying to be a power-run and blistering defense cuts exactly against the grain of what the Texans are.

Draft Crabtree or Maclin and defeat the Titans by dropping 40 points on them and forcing VY to thrown instead of trying to slug it out with Smash and Dash. Match the Colts in points and force the Colts offense to one dimension instead of worrying about Addadi as much as Manning.

Adding Crabtree or Maclin helps the team much more than adding Cushing to the defense. They take the team to the next level while any medicore defensive talent is another cog in a broken down machine
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Personally I'd pass on him.

Looking through front office eyes though, I say that if noone offers the right price for a trade down and he is the highest rated player on their board that they take him.
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Crabtree won't make it past Jacksonville....

And I'm praying he's not on the board when they draft, I don't want to play against him 2x a year.
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I like Crabtree, I do, but no way I take him at 15 nor do I think he will be there, he will make some team very happy though. I think Maclin is a better fit because of the return ability/experience he has, but I don't want him. We have to go defense with that pick (preferably CB - I think we take Davis out of Illinois) or trade back and take the BPA approach, IMO. WR is just not near a priority as other needs.

If for some reason we go offense in the first round, anywhere in the first round I hope it's Moreno, I have been high on this guy, I will pass on Beanie Wells all day long, I think he's going to be a huge letdown. Just for value sake, if you want to bring in a WR that makes Jacoby a little more expendable or pushed to develop who can contribute right away, especially as a solid, reliable return man and who we know is already mature. Quan Cosby will be available in the middle rounds and I think is going to end up being great value pick and good pro.
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The Eagles, Steelers, and Giants win by pounding the rock and crushing opponents with violent stunting and bltizing defenses. Many fans on this board want this to be the Texans. That is sadly an empty dream

Except for a few rare exceptions, thanks to cap space, you are either an offensive or defensive team. There is no real room for balance in the modern NFL. Trying to be a power-run and blistering defense cuts exactly against the grain of what the Texans are.

Draft Crabtree or Maclin and defeat the Titans by dropping 40 points on them and forcing VY to thrown instead of trying to slug it out with Smash and Dash. Match the Colts in points and force the Colts offense to one dimension instead of worrying about Addadi as much as Manning.

Adding Crabtree or Maclin helps the team much more than adding Cushing to the defense. They take the team to the next level while any medicore defensive talent is another cog in a broken down machine
The year the Rams won the superbowl they had the 6th best defense in the league...

The year the Colts won the superbowl their defense gelled towards the end of the season and they had the #1 defense in the postseason. Before that no matter how many times they had all these great offenses they never did anything.....even when they were breaking records.

A main reason why the Patriots won 3 superbowls was because of defense, even when they gave Brady all these offensive weapons and they went 16-0, they lost the Superbowl because their defense got too old. Once they had a defense that could stop Peyton Manning dead when he was in his absolute prime, then they had a defense that couldn't even stop Eli Manning. Eli isn't Peyton (I think he's highly overrated)

We can get all the offensive talent we want, but we aren't going to go anywhere that we really want to go (playoffs) until the defense improves.
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The Eagles, Steelers, and Giants win by pounding the rock and crushing opponents with violent stunting and bltizing defenses. Many fans on this board want this to be the Texans. That is sadly an empty dream

Except for a few rare exceptions, thanks to cap space, you are either an offensive or defensive team. There is no real room for balance in the modern NFL. Trying to be a power-run and blistering defense cuts exactly against the grain of what the Texans are.

Draft Crabtree or Maclin and defeat the Titans by dropping 40 points on them and forcing VY to thrown instead of trying to slug it out with Smash and Dash. Match the Colts in points and force the Colts offense to one dimension instead of worrying about Addadi as much as Manning.

Adding Crabtree or Maclin helps the team much more than adding Cushing to the defense. They take the team to the next level while any medicore defensive talent is another cog in a broken down machine
We have a guy that could be a DPOTY candidate for the next 8 years, a guy that should be the building block for an elite defense, and you would rather abandon that side of the football because you don't believe we can be balanced salary cap wise? If anything we should spend more money on defense because Kubiak has shown that he can get production from less heralded offensive players. The Denver teams that had success when Kubiak was there were always talented on both sides of the ball.
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