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Old 04-22-2009   #21
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1. Matt Ryan
2. Ryan Clady
3. Matt Forte
4. Steve Slaton
5. Chris Johnson
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jake Long
8. Jarod Mayo
9. DeSean Jackson
10. Eddie Royal

That's how I would rank them.
I can agree with this. Clady should definitely be in the top 5.
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Old 04-23-2009   #22
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To be fair, I think Michael Turner's 1700 yards and 17 touchdowns helped the Falcons and Ryans a ton. No way would Ryans have been that successful without a running back workhorse like Turner
true but CJ was able to hide behind a defense that allowed just one RB to rush for 100+ yards this season. albeit they let him do it twice but still.
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1. Matt Ryan
2. Ryan Clady
3. Matt Forte
4. Steve Slaton
5. Chris Johnson
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jake Long
8. Jarod Mayo
9. DeSean Jackson
10. Eddie Royal

That's how I would rank them.
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Whatever happened to Chris Long?
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i think slaton should be 3rd or 4th on the list. i think the 2 qbs, especially ryan, should be above him.

imo slaton is on a par with johnson. both are electrigying. slaton gets the nod from me because he had to be more of a workhorse but its pretty close.

what i dont get is the forte love. hes a decent rb that has lived off that colts game last yr. hes nowhere near the playmaker slaton or cj are. he does everything well but nothing great

clady should be up there with ss and cj too
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Whatever happened to Chris Long?
He was a 3-4 D End taken 2nd overall. Big shock the Rams pick 2nd overall again. He was'nt a very good pick.
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Ryan and Flacco have to be ahead of Slaton. Come on now. Rookie QB's who start for playoff teams have to be listed ahead of RB whose team finished 8-8.

I'd put Slaton third.
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Ryan and Flacco have to be ahead of Slaton. Come on now. Rookie QB's who start for playoff teams have to be listed ahead of RB whose team finished 8-8.

I'd put Slaton third.
But there is room for the argument that Turner/the Baltimore defense had alot to do with those two making the change. Clady stepped in at one of the hardest positions in football and dominated. I put Steve around 5 ish.
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I think Clady is the biggest error. He's way too low.
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Ryan and Flacco have to be ahead of Slaton. Come on now. Rookie QB's who start for playoff teams have to be listed ahead of RB whose team finished 8-8.

I'd put Slaton third.
I'll never understand this Heisman attitude of ranking the best players based on (a) team record and (b) position. Maybe if it was the rookie MVP award but not just as best.
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I'll never understand this Heisman attitude of ranking the best players based on (a) team record and (b) position. Maybe if it was the rookie MVP award but not just as best.
It's the old, " All the credit when you win, All the blame when you lose" mentality.
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1.) Steve Slaton - How many times has he bailed us out of games?
to be fair.....there is no doubt that Steve Slaton is a great back. But he has not been the lead back for a full season. And shaking the third down tag is going to take him a season, seventeen touches a game....for sixteen games, to prove it to everyone. I have no problems with the ranking.

We'll see Saturday if what Kubes said in December was true or not. He may have believed it in December when he said it. Might of changed his mind in March on second thought. Always been one guy in the Denver WCO system getting a majority of carries. They take a back Day one....the Steve Slaton comments in December were just talk. And he's decided to walk the walk in September with somebody else. There can be one , only one, four million plus RB on the roster. I'm pulling for Steve Slaton. He's convinced me.
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to be fair.....there is no doubt that Steve Slaton is a great back. But he has not been the lead back for a full season. And shaking the third down tag is going to take him a season, seventeen touches a game....for sixteen games, to prove it to everyone. I have no problems with the ranking.
Slaton actually had one more start than CJ. But you are right it is hard to shake the third down back tag.

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Not advocating this, but a mid 2nd like the Texans is going to get a contract that averages about a mil a year.
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And I could see them doing it.....if they wanted to be sure. But....down the road, as i posted...there can only be one. I can't see one in the first....unless they get a tremendous offer....i.e, somebody losses their mind and offers up a Rickie Williams type deal to move back.....then maybe. I don't think Slaton has three hundred carries per year in him. But I think with the right compliments on the squad he can give seventeen per game and have a nice long career....seven plus years... for us. I see no reason to rock the boat as it were. I guess I believe in chemistry more than I believe in potential.
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He was a 3-4 D End taken 2nd overall. Big shock the Rams pick 2nd overall again. He was'nt a very good pick.
Give him some time, and when the Rams put some guys to play around him he will play much better.
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Ryan, Forte, and Slaton all come to mind
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These guys all did good and lists are all just mental masturbation anyway.
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Matt Ryan not number one total over look IMO. Steve and Matt Forte should higher up on that list than CJ. Unreal.
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List is crap, in my opinion...

I would have Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco AND Steve Slaton before Chris Johnson.

But thats just me...
I like Joe Flacco better than Matt Ryan tbh

Matt had more talents around him than Joe did.
And plus Joe won 2 playoff games, Matt didn't.
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Give him some time, and when the Rams put some guys to play around him he will play much better.
2nd overall for a 3-4 end when you run a 4-3 isn't a good idea. I think he'll be an ok player, but he wasn't the wisest pick for that team. As long as the guys arond him are 4 lb's, another end, and a nose, they will be fine. He's playing out of position.
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