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Old 04-20-2009   #1
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Couple of props from Houston over the past 2 days from Boston Globe. We have known for a while now that our 2006 draft was turning out to be the best in the NFL. Seems others now agree.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...r_class_of_06/

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Houston*: Remember the debate over whether the Texans should select running back Reggie Bush first overall? They get extra credit for going against the grain and drafting impressive defensive end Mario Williams. Linebacker DeMeco Ryans (second round) and tight end Owen Daniels (fourth round) were also finds, offensive lineman Eric Winston (third round) is a solid starter, and receiver David Anderson (seventh round) could still develop. In Charley Casserly's final draft, they decisively took advantage of picking atop each round.
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The Generals take and makes his case for Casserly...

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/04/t...ans_draft.html

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No matter what you think of Casserly, he and Kubiak worked well in their one draft together. Defensive end Mario Williams was signed before the draft. It was Casserly, by the way, who got Kubiak and owner Bob McNair off of running back Reggie Bush and on to Williams.
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I know the 2006 draft was great but even if we give him all the credit for everything good about that draft it still doesn't make up for the lousy 4 drafts prior to that.
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maybe its more a reflection of the talent base? 06 was a great draft to have the 1st pick each round & two @ the top of the third. it would be very depressing if they had not taken advantage of this situation

if I remember they wanted their 1st pick signed prior to the draft & Mario was more willing than Bush to agree on terms that determined the pick as much as anything because they where rated virtually equal.

DeMeco was dumb luck he fell & they needed LB help.

Protection for their precious QB needed to address tackle in spades so they took two.

Billy Miller era ended & had to find his replacement.

whatever happend to Wali Lundy?

David Anderson was a solid choice, Kubiak made from Colorado State

this was more about sucking hard & adjusting late flight than forward thinking on his part
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Casserly had two people to choose from: Bush or Mario. It is generally, yet arguably, common knowledge that VY was not even an option. I remember VY openly talking about how he couldn't understand that he was not even in the equation with the Texans, that he had been ruled out ahead of time. I think this was when he was on the Leno Show, if I remember correctly.

So...he chose Mario over Bush. Big whoop. Like it's been said: He had all those previous drafts to answer for. Outside of AJ, which even I felt was the best "sure thing" on draft day (Who actually felt Charles Rogers was better? Eeek!) and striking gold on Domanick Davis out of nowhere, what else is there from the Casserly era?

The Jason Babin trade-up, alone, was enough to get the guy fired IMO. Didn't we even freaking trade up with the TITANS to grab Jason Babin who the draft gurus were loudly saying "Uh, he wasn't going anytime soon. This is a bad reach by the Texans. Unless they knew someone was about to grab him, but still...that's a head scratcher from where we're standing."

Capers was out. Kubiak wasn't coming on-board with Uncle Charles as his GM, so you knew that Casserly was a lame-duck GM. What do you do with lame-duck GMs? You assign them to tasks that are fairly unnecessary. You keep them busy, doing some fact gathering. Seeing what dirt you can dig up on draft prospects--Oh! Bush had his parents set up in a nice crib. Well, well, well...--and other low-level things that keep the GM in there, without getting too much in the way of the new regime.

That Casserly gets credit for the Mario pick is baffling to me. He had no "vision" for what Kubiak was starting. To me, that draft was Kubiak all the way. IIRC, Rick Smith was yet to legally be able to help with our draft that year...but still, there was probably some sort of contact between them. I think Kubiak did a fairly good job, considering what he inherited and that it was his first spin behind the wheel as the head coach.

Why is there this passionate following, by the media, for Casserly? Does he have blackmail information on so many people? I mean, it's just amazing. I won't question his work ethic, etc. But his ability to sign quality free agents, to reasonable contracts, and to help the head coach in the evaluation and selection of draft prospects? Hardly a pro at that, IMO.
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maybe its more a reflection of the talent base? 06 was a great draft to have the 1st pick each round & two @ the top of the third. it would be very depressing if they had not taken advantage of this situation

if I remember they wanted their 1st pick signed prior to the draft & Mario was more willing than Bush to agree on terms that determined the pick as much as anything because they where rated virtually equal.

DeMeco was dumb luck he fell & they needed LB help.

Protection for their precious QB needed to address tackle in spades so they took two.

Billy Miller era ended & had to find his replacement.

whatever happend to Wali Lundy?

David Anderson was a solid choice, Kubiak made from Colorado State

this was more about sucking hard & adjusting late flight than forward thinking on his part


Your the glass half full kinda person aren't ya!!!!!


Just kidding, interesting observations/points.
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Kubiak would rather watch tape of players in action than attend pro days. He puts a lot of stock in meeting with players and getting a feel for them and if he thinks they can fit with what the Texans do.
I think this answers a lot of our questions.
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i lol'ed at this comment

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This is also some nice logic used in Charlie's defense- "Casserly would get with Kubiak and tell him who he was going to take, and Kubiak would say yes or no." Tell me how much credit you would give Casserly on this test?
What's the capitol of Texas?
Charlie: Lubbock? Kubiak: Let's try that one again.
Charlie: Ft. Worth? Kubiak: That's not the way we studied it, Charlie.
Charlie: Junction? Kubiak: Uhhhh no.
Charlie: Austin? Kubiak: Right! Let's pick Austin.

How about giving credit where credit is due for the 2006 ? The credit resides with Kubiak.
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I agree with Maddict and GP. People act like CC was the only one in the war room to make the pick. Im glad they all agreed on Mario and its worked out great. But picking Mario over Reggie does not define his career, especially with the Texans. I wont go over his blunders again, but he still has alot of work to do to get out of the hole he created as the Texans GM.
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Why is there this passionate following, by the media, for Casserly? Does he have blackmail information on so many people? I mean, it's just amazing. I won't question his work ethic, etc. But his ability to sign quality free agents, to reasonable contracts, and to help the head coach in the evaluation and selection of draft prospects? Hardly a pro at that, IMO.
Casserly was a talker. He liked the media and gave tidbits to McClain and Justice. Kubiak/Smith don't do that. Casserly gets treated graciously by the media and Smith gets excoriated.
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In Charley Casserly's final draft, they decisively took advantage of picking atop each round.
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Imagine if Dayne the Hut hadn't rolled over Charles Spencer's leg and ruined what was looking to be an extremely promising career. We would have had Mario, Ryans, Spencer, Winston, Daniels and Anderson all in one draft.
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Casserly isn't as good as the national media makes him out to be, and he isn't as bad as this message board makes him out to be.

I've been on this and other Texans' message boards since day one, and to this day, no one knows for sure who made what decisions in the front office.

Casserly was the first GM of an expansion team, operatiing on a particular set of rules laid down by the NFL at that time. He made both good, and bad decisions, when you look back in hindsight.

The end result would have been the same, no matter who the GM was at that time. If God himself was the GM of the Texans when the team was first formed, God himself would be vilified on this board right now.
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All drafts have an element of luck to them. Sure, scouting and interviews play a roll, but until the player puts on the pads and plays in the NFL, who knows?

Case in point, Reggie Bush. I'd rather have Slaton than Bush, but who could have known that in advance?
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All drafts have an element of luck to them. Sure, scouting and interviews play a roll, but until the player puts on the pads and plays in the NFL, who knows?

Case in point, Reggie Bush. I'd rather have Slaton than Bush, but who could have known that in advance?
Another case in point, Andre Johnson and Charles Rogers. If we had the 2nd pick of the draft instead of the 3rd, you can bet the farm we would have taken Rogers.

It's a crap shoot. It's always been a crap shoot.
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Another case in point, Andre Johnson and Charles Rogers. If we had the 2nd pick of the draft instead of the 3rd, you can bet the farm we would have taken Rogers.

It's a crap shoot. It's always been a crap shoot.
really? I was shocked when CR went ahead of AJ. I though we got lucky as hell that they left him for us.
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Nice to see people getting all misty-eyed over the good old days with Casserly. I can't say I have the same fond feelings myself.

His first mistake was hiring a guy that had a win-loss record of 30-34. I guess Casserly defined his body of work in one anomaly of a season where he went 12-4.

His second mistake was drafting a "face of the franchise" with the first overall pick instead of the inaugural draft. It's been proven time and again that good teams are built in the trenches.

When he was under attack, he said he always drafted the guys that the coaches wanted. Kinda funny now how he plays up his role in the 2006 draft.
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really? I was shocked when CR went ahead of AJ. I though we got lucky as hell that they left him for us.
Well, so did I. But I also remember the pundits having Rogers rated higher because they questioned AJ's hands. There were some here who wanted to trade up a spot to get Rogers.

There were reasons why Rogers was taken higher. He was rated higher. No reason to invent revisionist history.
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Another case in point, Andre Johnson and Charles Rogers. If we had the 2nd pick of the draft instead of the 3rd, you can bet the farm we would have taken Rogers.

It's a crap shoot. It's always been a crap shoot.
Rogers was rated higher by most pundits and most but by no means all (I was an AJ advocate) fans around here wanted Rogers. But, there was some whispering before the draft that the Texans wanted AJ over Rogers regardless. The other rumor was the Texans had wanted McGahee until his injury.

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His second mistake was drafting a "face of the franchise" with the first overall pick instead of the inaugural draft. It's been proven time and again that good teams are built in the trenches.
To be fair, they did attempt to address the trenches. Bosellis, Ryan Young, Gary Walker, Seth Payne, plus three more OL in the expansion draft. Then 6 draft picks on the lines including 3 of 5 first day picks. They tried, they just botched it and got unlucky.
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Casserly isn't as good as the national media makes him out to be, and he isn't as bad as this message board makes him out to be.

I've been on this and other Texans' message boards since day one, and to this day, no one knows for sure who made what decisions in the front office.

Casserly was the first GM of an expansion team, operatiing on a particular set of rules laid down by the NFL at that time. He made both good, and bad decisions, when you look back in hindsight.

The end result would have been the same, no matter who the GM was at that time. If God himself was the GM of the Texans when the team was first formed, God himself would be vilified on this board right now.

God as GM and Charlie not a bad GM for the Texans....whew good things both don't exist.

I don't know of another GM out there who can have the horrible track record he did as a GM for trades, banging a few picks prior to 2006 and have such a clearly inept coaching staff still come off smelling like roses. Matt Millen should go ask on a guestspeaker on NFLN and hope some of that rubs off on him.

I think the "General" is wrong too about Casserly getting him to back off Bush. From what I recall it was the threat of NCAA violations and a snag in contract discussions that swayed McNair to pick Mario over Reggie. IF htere is one thing he should get credit for in the draft it's finding OD.

No one talks about trading picks within your own division and the incedibile reach on Babin. No one talks about the trade back for the slug that has been Travis Johnson. No one talks about the Phillip Buchannon trade. They just talk about a mistreated lame duck GM who likely was handcuffed in that draft just like Richard Smith calling defensive plays.

If he was half the GM he's made outto be he'd have teams offering him lucrative deals to get back in the business. The part that pisses me off the most is that I doubt any owner would make that call and he doesn't have to save his GM "legacy" because all he has to do is sit on the sidelines and gloat on NFLN.
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