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Old 06-03-2004   #21
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Gildon and Trotter will get way more than Wade did from us.
Barret Green, Dhani Jones, Brandon Short, Marcus Washington, Carlos Emmons. We had a shot at all of these guys. And didnt land one of them. The Texans were outbid and will be for Gildon!
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What do you think a fair asking price is for Gildon...I wouldn't want us to cut into the cap too deeply, after last year having some slush funds for emergency signings is in the back of my mind here.
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Gildon and Trotter will get way more than Wade did from us.
Trotter's last contract that he got after two pro-bowl seasons and then underperformed in fulfilling was 7 years $35 mil, i.e. $5 mil per year. Do you really see him getting anything close to that at this point? Jason Gildon just got released from a 5 year $23 mil contract. He isn't likely to get the same deal he had either. Todd Wade signed a 5 year $ 25 mil deal with the Texans, i.e. $5 mil per year. Extremely unlikely either gets as much as Wade.
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What do you think a fair asking price is for Gildon...I wouldn't want us to cut into the cap too deeply, after last year having some slush funds for emergency signings is in the back of my mind here.
One consideration for Gildon, is that if a team does sign him to a vet minimum contract, which I believe is around $755k then he only counts $450k on the cap because he has played ten years and the league encourages keeping vets.
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They have to want to play here. You cannot just throw out money "out-bidding" people for FA's and win in this league. Players like to go to winning teams.
Winning teams as in Washington? A 5-11 team isnt exactly a winning team. Wait a tic. Werent we 5-11? I guess that does mean that you can throw money at a player to play for you.
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Not sure what the other teams intrested in Gildon have as negotiating room in their Caps. I was figuring Vet minimum with some good preformance bonus clauses included...probably centered around sack numbers. For a guy like Gildon I suspect he is going to be looking at 2 primary factors...team most likely to get into the playoffs, and (more importantly I think) who will give the best shot to start.
Like I said...I buy into signing him. Vin made a good point...don't get too wrapped around current talent when there is a chance to bring in an upgrade or at least increase the quality of depth.
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One consideration for Gildon, is that if a team does sign him to a vet minimum contract, which I believe is around $755k then he only counts $450k on the cap because he has played ten years and the league encourages keeping vets.
Good information, I hadn't heard of that rule before. I could certainly get on board at that price or similar. However, my sense is that one of this years 3-4 converts will be willing to pay him a stater's salary to meet their new need for a 3-4 OLB in which case I would rather pass on him then try to outbid another team.
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He will not sign for the veteran minimum. He is still a quality LB. I would figure he would go after something former team mate Levon Kirkland got from the Seahawks. Kirkland signed a $7.5 million, three-year contract with a $2.3 million signing bonus to play with the Seahawks. I would say something a little under that.
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Meanwhile, Antwan Peek is backing up Wong on the right side. Peek started four games for Clemons last season, putting up modest numbers. But hes been one of the teams most pleasant surprises in the off-season.

Peek looks like how you would hope a guy would look in his second year, Fangio said. Hes more confident, hes smarter and hes doing a good job.
From houstontexans.com--how happy they are so far with Babin and Peek does play a role in whether they will pursue Gildon.
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I agree with you Bottle. IMO I really think something needs to be done with Wong soon, say end of this year or sometime next year, unless he can pick up his performance because his performance is not worth his salary, he produced better in Minnesota. I say try him inside next to Sharper a bit, try that with Babs and Peek on the outside...
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I know this may be irrelevant to what yall are talking about but I really like Peeks attitude. This was a kid that was going to be a special teams star last season. During that time he mentioned that he is going to work and work hard so he can get an opportunity to start and he soon did. I also remember two times in which I saw Peek after a win. One was in person right in front of me when I saw The Texans beat Jville last year. He was so happy and over joyed. The other was when we beat Carolina. I even have a picture of it. He threw his helmet in the air and started jumping around. I say all this because I just really love his winning attitude and when you see a player like that get so happy about a win, to me it shows that is what he cares about first. Really the thing I think he needs to improve on is his speed. He pressured Mcnair so many times last year but never could quite catch him. Then again, how many actually do?
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I'd be more than happy to add Gildon to the roster, but I don't see the front office making that move right now. I also don't think he'd sign for the vet minimum, but we should get a better picture of that very quickly--IF there really are 4 teams that interested in him.

The young LB talent like Babin and Peek is great to have, but it would not be bad to have an old-but-healthy hand around to provide a change of pace or matchup if things start going bad for one of the young rookies at that position.

No matter. I'd be pleasantly surprised if Gildon ends up in Houston.
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You need very good vets like Gildon on young team to show guys like Babin & Peek the ropes. Gildon comes from one of if not the best group of linebackers in the league so why not bring a guy like him in? I think that he can still put up double digit sacks, pittsburgh is in a state of flux and I think that gildon can get back to his old form for at least 2 more seasons if he is in a rotation situation.
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If the Texans want to sign Gildon or Trotter and believe they can sign them without restricting the future, in relation to the salary cap, then they should sign him.

Both are as or more talanted than at least one of our current group of linebackers and would provide at a minimum good depth.
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The Texans have spent a great deal of time, drafting & developing what appears to be a linebacking core on the rise. For at least the time being no future investment seems warranted.
I think we'll have to wait until at least the pre-season to make any significant roster moves in response to under achievment, team chemistry or unforseen injurys. Lets keep our cap space open and our ability to remain fluid to future needs intact.
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Jason Gildon and Jeremiah Trotter would and excellent addition to the Texans defense. This way it would give Babin at least a year to learn the 3-4 scheme from Linebacker stand. What do you think?
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"ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) -- Former All-Pro linebacker Jason Gildon arrived in Buffalo on Monday to meet with the Bills, a team needing to bolster its pass rush.

Gildon's agent Peter Schaffer said his client's visit is scheduled to last through Tuesday. The Bills are an attractive stop for Gildon, who was released by the Pittsburgh Steelers for salary-cap reasons two weeks ago, Schaffer said."
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I would say that since Mike Mularkey was hired as the new coach from the Steelers organization that it would be a done deal. The Bills would have the strongest influence in aquiring Gildon based on the fact that Mularkey has working relationship with him. He's a Bill.
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Jason Gildon and Jeremiah Trotter would and excellent addition to the Texans defense. This way it would give Babin at least a year to learn the 3-4 scheme from Linebacker stand. What do you think?
Gildon is washed up and Trotter has maybe one good year left in him and would ask for too much money. Plus, I would rather have Babin learning the job on the fly.

Does Gildon useat Posey or switch between DE and LB?
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Gildon is washed up
How so? Played in all 16 games and had 6 sacks, was a leader on one of the better defensive teams in the league.

Be prepared for Babin to take some time to learn the position, 3-4 linebackers usually take a couple of years to start to show some greatness.
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