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Old 04-12-2009   #1
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Last season during a game at Cleveland, that tension surfaced again when Rosenfels called a timeout with the Texans facing a fourth and 1 in the first quarter. Kubiak was upset with the timeout and let Rosenfels know it on the sideline. The next day, Rosenfels met with Kubiak and asked him to stop cursing at him.

"I said, 'You know, you yelling at me on the sideline is not going to make me a better player. I'm doing the best I can,' " Rosenfels said. "I'm one of those guys that you don't have to worry about not putting in enough effort both physically and mentally. It wasn't helping me become a better player. If anything, it was just getting me more frustrated."

After that meeting, Kubiak understood Rosenfels better and toned it down, Rosenfels said.

"I think it's because he respected me as a player," Rosenfels said. "He agreed with me. Coaches can be intense. Here's a guy who was a coordinator for a long time. When you're up in the box, you can yell and scream all you want and no one hears you. When you're on the sidelines, and your quarterback's trying to play with confidence, getting yelled at all the time isn't the best feeling. You want to feel the coach has a lot of confidence in you, and I always felt that in my three years there."

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the rosencopter takes a shot at kubiak. besides that, it's an interesting article that looks at the story behind the man.
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Last season during a game at Cleveland, that tension surfaced again when Rosenfels called a timeout with the Texans facing a fourth and 1 in the first quarter. Kubiak was upset with the timeout and let Rosenfels know it on the sideline. The next day, Rosenfels met with Kubiak and asked him to stop cursing at him.

"I said, 'You know, you yelling at me on the sideline is not going to make me a better player. I'm doing the best I can,' " Rosenfels said. "I'm one of those guys that you don't have to worry about not putting in enough effort both physically and mentally. It wasn't helping me become a better player. If anything, it was just getting me more frustrated."

After that meeting, Kubiak understood Rosenfels better and toned it down, Rosenfels said.

"I think it's because he respected me as a player," Rosenfels said. "He agreed with me. Coaches can be intense. Here's a guy who was a coordinator for a long time. When you're up in the box, you can yell and scream all you want and no one hears you. When you're on the sidelines, and your quarterback's trying to play with confidence, getting yelled at all the time isn't the best feeling. You want to feel the coach has a lot of confidence in you, and I always felt that in my three years there."

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the rosencopter takes a shot at kubiak. besides that, it's an interesting article that looks at the story behind the man.
It would not be surprising to me, if this has not occurred in the past with key players. If so, public humiliations soon can take their toll.
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I knew it wasn't David's fault!
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See ya Sage

To bad we didn't take the 3rd before last years draft. Then Sage could have gotten his feelings hurt in Minny and we could have gotten another useful player.

Minny probably wouldn't have made the playoffs last year without Sages' help. Lets see if they can make the playoffs with Rosencopter.
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I don't read that as a "shot" at Kubes. Sounds to me like Sage is telling a basically positive story about an employee having a sincere disagreement with his boss and the two working the issue out together in a manner that doesn't involve (a) questioning the boss's authority in front of the other employees or (b) the boss summarily shooting down whatever issue the employee had. In other words, they were both professional.

That said, I think there is a bit more to this story than Sage is willing to admit. It was obvious that after Sage's miserable second half against Cleveland--throwing two picks with a lead in the last 30 minutes is beyond inexcusable--that Kubiak lost all faith in Sage from that point on. If you watch the Jax game again--especially after Sage's early int--you'll know what I mean. What's the point in yelling at a guy that you know is going to be gone?
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I don't read that as a "shot" at Kubes. Sounds to me like Sage is telling a basically positive story about an employee having a sincere disagreement with his boss and the two working the issue out together in a manner that doesn't involve (a) questioning the boss's authority in front of the other employees or (b) the boss summarily shooting down whatever issue the employee had. In other words, they were both professional.
It's also not Sage taking shot at his "former" coach/team, as this story was being publicized well before Sage was shipped off to Minny. Can't remember for sure, but I think I remember McClain mentioning it on 610 while the season was still going on.
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You want to feel the coach has a lot of confidence in you, and I always felt that in my three years there."
not much of a shot at Kubiak when he says the above.
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"Sage was more than a little surprised when he learned one day during his NFL rookie season that he was being enshrined into a Jewish sports hall of fame."
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I knew Sage was Jewish and found that little piece of trivia amusing. Not too many pro Jewish jocks. On the other hand in the "Hall of fame for Jewish Economists", guys probably dang near got to be a former Fed Chairman to quality for membership.
But I've got the distinct impression that Sage was very popular and respected by his teammates and that he left Houston with several extremely close friends on the Texans roster.
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"Sage was more than a little surprised when he learned one day during his NFL rookie season that he was being enshrined into a Jewish sports hall of fame."
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I knew Sage was Jewish and found that little piece of trivia amusing. Not too many pro Jewish jocks. On the other hand in the "Hall of fame for Jewish Economists", guys probably dang near got to be a former Fed Chairman to quality for membership.
But I've got the distinct impression that Sage was very popular and respected by his teammates and that he left Houston with several extremely close friends on the Texans roster.
The tradition is carried on by our new backup QB.
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The tradition is carried on by our new backup QB.
I don't think so. Dan is apparently a pretty serious Christian.
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I don't think so. Dan is apparently a pretty serious Christian.
Thanks, then I stand corrected.
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I don't see how this could possibly be construed as a shot against Kubiak.

Sounds more like Rosenfels was thankful that Kubiak respected his feelings.

Like it or not, yelling at professional athletes with million dollar egos isn't always the best way to get positive results out of them.

I'm not saying you have to coddle them, but calling them out in front of their teammates wonn't necessarily make them a better player.
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you're all right, in all honesty, it's not really a shot at kubiak. but, i wasn't aware he got rosenfels that upset at any point.
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I'm glad the Texans traded him.


I think he will start in Minny.
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Sage just needed a hug. And maybe a teddy bear. Perhaps a shoulder rub mixed in for good measure. Buy him a pedicure on Monday.

Seriously, it's PROfessional football, and a little yelling by the head coach gets him frustrated?! Give me a break!

I'm glad he's gone. I will never forget his attempted heroics in grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. In hindsight, one friggin' play stood between us finally having a winning season in 2008.
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It's also not Sage taking shot at his "former" coach/team, as this story was being publicized well before Sage was shipped off to Minny. Can't remember for sure, but I think I remember McClain mentioning it on 610 while the season was still going on.
I agree. I remember hearing it last year also.
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I don't read that as a "shot" at Kubes. Sounds to me like Sage is telling a basically positive story about an employee having a sincere disagreement with his boss and the two working the issue out together in a manner that doesn't involve (a) questioning the boss's authority in front of the other employees or (b) the boss summarily shooting down whatever issue the employee had. In other words, they were both professional.

That said, I think there is a bit more to this story than Sage is willing to admit. It was obvious that after Sage's miserable second half against Cleveland--throwing two picks with a lead in the last 30 minutes is beyond inexcusable--that Kubiak lost all faith in Sage from that point on. If you watch the Jax game again--especially after Sage's early int--you'll know what I mean. What's the point in yelling at a guy that you know is going to be gone?
Totally agreed. He wasn't taking a shot at Kubes at all. He was complimenting Kubes for his adjustments after their communication actually. Some people in here will always bash on Sage no matter what he says or does.

I appreciate Sage for doing the best that he could. He made some plays, but just tried to hard in the end to win a job and it ended up hurting him and he was exposed for the back up QB that he has always been.

I wish Sage well though and I'd love to see him win the job in Minnesota and play well.
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I don't see how this could possibly be construed as a shot against Kubiak.

Sounds more like Rosenfels was thankful that Kubiak respected his feelings.

Like it or not, yelling at professional athletes with million dollar egos isn't always the best way to get positive results out of them.

I'm not saying you have to coddle them, but calling them out in front of their teammates wonn't necessarily make them a better player.
Good post. I think it's a thin line between knowing when to do it and knowing when not to do it and that's very hard for any coach to realize. Sometimes we complain about the emotionless coaches that don't show enough intensity and then sometimes we complain about the ones that are to intense and grouchy. Coaches will make mistakes.

I've never been a big Kubiak supporter personally as many of you know, but an article like this gives me a little bit more faith in Kubiak as a coach actually from Sage's story.
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Sages play made me curse in the Indy, Jax, & Cleveland games too.

Sages brain locked QB play will do that to a man.
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Totally agreed. He wasn't taking a shot at Kubes at all. He was complimenting Kubes for his adjustments after their communication actually. Some people in here will always bash on Sage no matter what he says or does.

I appreciate Sage for doing the best that he could. He made some plays, but just tried to hard in the end to win a job and it ended up hurting him and he was exposed for the back up QB that he has always been.

I wish Sage well though and I'd love to see him win the job in Minnesota and play well.
My feelings exactly.

Ya know, thinking back on it I realize that I forgot to do something I intended to do in the aftermath of the Rosencopter play--send him a postcard of appreciation and a reminder to keep his chin up. Yeah, I know... that play was of great consequence to the team, but Rosenfels took a ton of heat for it and handled it like a professional. I wish him much success in Minnesota.
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