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Old 04-11-2009   #1
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Where do you guys think he will go?

He is my wild-card of the draft. I could see him going anywhere the 8th overall pick to a desperate JAX club, to the latter portion of the 2nd round, to a club hoping to get a Reggie Bush type player or DeSean Jackson part two.

It's really hard to say. On one hand, some teams could be absolutely enamored with his speed and ability to make plays any time the ball is in his hands. On the other hand, I think his small stature, in combination with his origins from a "gimmick" offense, will lead teams to believe that he is a situational player at best in the NFL.

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Where do you guys think he will go?

He is my wild-card of the draft. I could see him going anywhere the 8th overall pick to a desperate JAX club, to the latter portion of the 2nd round, to a club hoping to get a Reggie Bush type player or DeSean Jackson part two.
Who would use a 2nd round pick on Reggie Bush himself?

Personally, I think he's either going to be the next Florida bust or character issues will hinder his career's progress. Either way, I wouldn't use a first day pick on him.
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Who would use a 2nd round pick on Reggie Bush himself?

Personally, I think he's either going to be the next Florida bust or character issues will hinder his career's progress. Either way, I wouldn't use a first day pick on him.
Is Reggie a full-time back? No, but he is a very dangerous 3rd down back. Any second rounder who produces as much as he does would be considered a success. But that's a different debate-- I just used Bush as an example because Harvin could potentially be utilized in a very similar way.
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Who would use a 2nd round pick on Reggie Bush himself?

Personally, I think he's either going to be the next Florida bust or character issues will hinder his career's progress. Either way, I wouldn't use a first day pick on him.
are you saying that Bush isn't even a 2nd Round talent? if that is what you are saying, you are way off base. to say Reggie Bush is a 3rd Round talent is pure hogwash and haterade. has he been worthy of #2 overall much less #1 overall...that is another question but to label him 3rd Round is pretty crazy...

...then you rate Percy Harvin at best as a 3rd Round talent? really? say what you want about the offense he played in, but he played in the SEC and he busted plays open and made people miss in the open field....once he got loose it was taken to the house. The guy has 1st Round talent written all over him and diminuitive statures are not necessarily a hindrance, players like Sproles and Jones-Drew have shown that even Barry Sanders. sometimes it helps keep you hidden behind your blockers. the only thing lack of size points to is possible durabilty issues and thats a given with any back in the league.

to each his own but you seem to be grading running backs pretty harshly...even productive ones that have been very dynamic and helped his team win football games. bush is a good football player. #2 overall good. who knows but there have been lots of busts at #2 overall and that is one thing Reggie is not. Reggie is no bust.
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Is Reggie a full-time back? No, but he is a very dangerous 3rd down back. Any second rounder who produces as much as he does would be considered a success. But that's a different debate-- I just used Bush as an example because Harvin could potentially be utilized in a very similar way.
I agree, Reggie is villafied for being a #2 overall. If the guy would have been picked in the middle of the first, then you would say that he was a decent pick. It also doesn't help his name on this board.
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are you saying that Bush isn't even a 2nd Round talent? if that is what you are saying, you are way off base. to say Reggie Bush is a 3rd Round talent is pure hogwash and haterade. has he been worthy of #2 overall much less #1 overall...that is another question but to label him 3rd Round is pretty crazy...
when you consider what many second round backs like portis, mjd, forte, even slaton in the 3rd have produced, i kinda see what hes saying. reggie has come nowhere near their production or level of play

if the saints decided to go with beanie wells & pierre thomas next year and decided to trade reggie, imo they wouldnt get near a 2nd rd pick for him
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1st round talent that will drop due to character issues. My guess is he goes to Tennessee in the 2nd round. I hope the Texans don't touch him in any round.
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if the saints decided to go with beanie wells & pierre thomas next year and decided to trade reggie, imo they wouldnt get near a 2nd rd pick for him
The contract he received as the #2 pick, makes Bush pretty much untradeable.
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I sure hope he doesn't go to the Tacks. If you thought our defense looked bad last year put Johnson and Harvin on the field together and the Tacks will make our defense look worse than it did last year. If that's possible.

Harvin was the best playmaker in college football last year IMO. Teaming him up with Johnson would be scary becuse they both can play RB & have great hands so you can split either one of them out at WR or the slot.

This would create matchup nightmares for any defense, let alone the Texans sorry excuse of a defense that they had last year.
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I think he drops to the second round. He's got speed to go outside and I'm assuming that's while he probably be moved full time outisde. But, there's a lot more polished receivers in this draft ahead of him. Does he have the discipline to run routes is my biggest question about him.

Far as Reggie...seriously SH if you had to do that draft all over knowing what we know now Reggie Bush is STILL overall worth the #2 pick? Ok.....
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The contract he received as the #2 pick, makes Bush pretty much untradeable.
it was a hypothetical to show how his play has diminished his nfl value. i know they're not going to trade him in reality
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The contract he received as the #2 pick, makes Bush pretty much untradeable.
That's my understanding, which is that the Saints have already worked out a new contract which is very lucrative. I know he's very popular with the NOLA fans, but beyond that how is he worth a new supposedly superior contract to the origional and if they're paying all of that money why can't they figure out the best way to use him ? We know he's not going to be the regular running back, so why don't they make him a starting receiver ?
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Where do you guys think he will go?

He is my wild-card of the draft. I could see him going anywhere the 8th overall pick to a desperate JAX club, to the latter portion of the 2nd round, to a club hoping to get a Reggie Bush type player or DeSean Jackson part two.

It's really hard to say. On one hand, some teams could be absolutely enamored with his speed and ability to make plays any time the ball is in his hands. On the other hand, I think his small stature, in combination with his origins from a "gimmick" offense, will lead teams to believe that he is a situational player at best in the NFL.

Please share your thoughts. I'm very interested on this matter.
sounds hopefull of being there for the 49'ers 2nd rd. pick
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1st round talent that will drop due to character issues. My guess is he goes to Tennessee in the 2nd round. I hope the Texans don't touch him in any round.
I agree with ya on that OMT...If I were looking for a burner with no character issues, I'll Take Johnny Knox in the 4th
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are you saying that Bush isn't even a 2nd Round talent? if that is what you are saying, you are way off base. to say Reggie Bush is a 3rd Round talent is pure hogwash and haterade. has he been worthy of #2 overall much less #1 overall...that is another question but to label him 3rd Round is pretty crazy...
It was a bit of a hyperbole, but Bush obviously wasn't worth the #2 overall.
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...then you rate Percy Harvin at best as a 3rd Round talent? really? say what you want about the offense he played in, but he played in the SEC and he busted plays open and made people miss in the open field....once he got loose it was taken to the house. The guy has 1st Round talent written all over him and diminuitive statures are not necessarily a hindrance, players like Sproles and Jones-Drew have shown that even Barry Sanders. sometimes it helps keep you hidden behind your blockers. the only thing lack of size points to is possible durabilty issues and thats a given with any back in the league.
Not talent, value. He definitely has top of the 1st round talent, but so did Pac-Man. I'm not saying Harvin is even in the same level as Pac-Man, but I can't picture Harvin in the league in 8 years.
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...even productive ones that have been very dynamic and helped his team win football games. bush is a good football player. #2 overall good. who knows but there have been lots of busts at #2 overall and that is one thing Reggie is not. Reggie is no bust.
That's what people said when I called Benson a bust before the draft. I didn't see anything special in him, I thought he was a product of a great offensive line(speaking of which, what happened to Jonathan Scott?). How can you possibly say Bush is worth the #2 overall pick? I don't think he has a future as a running back, I always thought he'd have trouble running inside. As a receiver, he can be a star, but I don't know if the Saints would be willing to do that.

Is Bush worth a 1st round pick...maybe. Depending on the offense, he could be a very dangerous weapon. The keyword there is weapon. As I said, he's not a traditional running back, if you even want him there. But #2 overall? Admittedly, that was a pretty weak draft, Mario and Donte' Whitner are probably the only ones in the top 10 who deserved the selection. DeAngelo Williams and MoJo Drew are heads and shoulders the best running backs from that draft, with Leon Washington and LenDale White. A lot of us said LenDale would be the better pro as a running back...that looks to be the case.
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Is late as he goes is 18 to the Broncos. Percy would be the perfect wildcard weapon in the spread offense and would be a sick addition to Royal and Marshall on the outside.
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When they have serious holes on defense? I don't think they go offense in the first day unless Sanchez is there with their first pick.
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When they have serious holes on defense? I don't think they go offense in the first day unless Sanchez is there with their first pick.
McDaniels traded away his franchise QB because he didn't fit the system. The offense is obviously No. 1 on the list and the spread takes special players. A third WR in the spread will see the field every play
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McDaniels traded away his franchise QB because he didn't fit the system. The offense is obviously No. 1 on the list and the spread takes special players. A third WR in the spread will see the field every play
McDaniels allegedly attempted to trade Cutler because he felt Cassel was a "better" fit for his system. Cutler was finally traded after the Broncos organization felt that they couldn't patch up their relationship with Cutler. At no point did any sane person believe that Cutler wouldn't "fit the system".

You have a hard enough time making people believe we need to use a 1st round pick to replace Kevin Walter, who is incidentally one of the most productive # 2 WRs in the league despite having to fight with AJ/OD/Slaton for touches. Please stop now before you try to convince people that Cutler wasn't a fit for the spread offense McDaniels is bringing to Denver.
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Harvin will be a luxury pick for a team at the back end of the first round. I think the Ravens, Titans, or Giants are real possibilities because those teams have hardly any holes other than WR.

As far as Bush goes, I think Harvin could play a similar role with whatever team takes him. He could line up in the backfield and run a little bit, but more often he would be used as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot.

First round talent, but without a true position. That's why I think a team with few holes takes a shot at him. They can afford the luxury of passing up other first round players.
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