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Old 04-04-2009   #1
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Just kinda wondered what you guys thought about us taking a TE in the first or second round. OD is nails, Dreesen is okay but we don't have that complete blocking and pass catching TE and I see a few of those in this draft, and then I see some real good pass catching ones that will always be welcomed IMO.

Guys like the kid from NC and of course James Casey.

I mean we've talked about need and BPA, but noone has mentioned the idea of the TE position in relation to creating depth or being a solid contributor.
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Default Re: What about TE?

Most of last year, only OD and Dreessen were active. I think Bruener was only active for a few games.

Some people have talked about getting a blocking TE to replace Bruener but considering how little he played last year, I don't think it's a necessity.

I don't see TE as a need position. I'd like for us to grab Casey but he's moving up the draft boards. He won't be available when we're going to be free to take him.

We've got such bigger needs at DT, DE, OLB, S, G/C, and RB... and possibly CB. I just can't see us going TE.
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Just kinda wondered what you guys thought about us taking a TE in the first or second round. OD is nails, Dreesen is okay but we don't have that complete blocking and pass catching TE and I see a few of those in this draft, and then I see some real good pass catching ones that will always be welcomed IMO.

Guys like the kid from NC and of course James Casey.

I mean we've talked about need and BPA, but noone has mentioned the idea of the TE position in relation to creating depth or being a solid contributor.
I can't see us taking a TE before the 5th round. Both Dressen and Daniels are good in the pass game and OD turned himself into an effective blocker last season. If you're interested, go to NFL.com and subscribe to game rewind... you can watch every NFl game from last season for only $20.0. Anyway, if you want to checkout OD's blocking prowess, watch the GB game. He effectively handled LBs and Aaron Kampman in a number of situations- often leading to big runs by Slaton.

In my opinion, quality receiving TEs that can be effective blocking have much more value than a pure, inline blocking TE. After all, why have Bruener in the game when you can just have a tackle-eligible. If OD is in the game, the defense has to honor his presence with personnel and alignment. That gives the run game an advantage bigger greater than a 280 lb TE that can't run or catch, IMO.
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Default Re: What about TE?

Pettigrew would give the Texans a sweet triad between Andre Johnson/Steve Slaton & he is a + blocker which could lock down left side in support for last years #1 pick Duane Brown. It would be surprising but I love his game & worth selecting #15 if Kubiak wanted to give Matt Schaub an extra safety blanket
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would be a waste of a pick imo... our D needs too much help for a luxury pick
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would be a waste of a pick imo... our D needs too much help for a luxury pick
i agree. and it's not like Smiths philosophy would allow him to draft one in the first two rounds. Smith isn't a BPA kind of guy. he drafts needs first. he drafts starters with his first round pick. ALWAYS. and a guy like Pettigrew or Casey wouldn't even have the possibility of starting unless they let OD go.
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Default Re: What about TE?

Okay I got yall. So first two rounds a no. Someone mentioned not seeing us take a TE before the 5th. What kind of TE talent is projected to be there in the 5th.

I think my major concern is with Dreesen. I've seen him make some good catches but he's kind of inconsistent. He did a great job run blocking in the last Tennessee game but there were times throughout the season where he didn't make certain blocks or catches.

Also it only takes one injury to either of these two, and I'm not sure if OD is a FA next year but if he is shouldn't we address that possibility in this deep TE draft, incase he decides to jet?

I also disagree that Smith isn't a BPA guy but a needs guy. That's all he ever talks about when it comes to the draft. He's been quoted as saying he wants to fill our needs in FA so we don't have to reach for a guy because of needs in the draft.
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i agree. and it's not like Smiths philosophy would allow him to draft one in the first two rounds. Smith isn't a BPA kind of guy. he drafts needs first. he drafts starters with his first round pick. ALWAYS. and a guy like Pettigrew or Casey wouldn't even have the possibility of starting unless they let OD go.
While on the original topic I think a TE is very unlikely, I don't get where you make the assertion Smith is a need guy rather than BPA (and of course, truth is all GM's are a combination of the two). Filling a need and being a need pick aren't synonymous.

What's with the certainty of ALWAYS?--Smith only has two drafts under his belt and for an under talented team--of course they want the 1st rounders to start. Plus Kubiak has final say anyway.
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Okay I got yall. So first two rounds a no. Someone mentioned not seeing us take a TE before the 5th. What kind of TE talent is projected to be there in the 5th.

I think my major concern is with Dreesen. I've seen him make some good catches but he's kind of inconsistent. He did a great job run blocking in the last Tennessee game but there were times throughout the season where he didn't make certain blocks or catches.

Also it only takes one injury to either of these two, and I'm not sure if OD is a FA next year but if he is shouldn't we address that possibility in this deep TE draft, in case he decides to jet?

I also disagree that Smith isn't a BPA guy but a needs guy. That's all he ever talks about when it comes to the draft. He's been quoted as saying he wants to fill our needs in FA so we don't have to reach for a guy because of needs in the draft.
I agree BL. Everyone is talking Pettigrew isn't worth an eleven because of his straight line speed. However in terms of his talent as a blocker....if he was twenty five pounds heavier....he'd be the #10 pick in this class. We gotta a Qb with an extensive injury history. I wouldn't blow a gasket if Petigrew was the pick...defensive needs and all.

Look I don't want anyone to get hurt......but if Daniels goes down...that's like 20% of the offense. And I don't mean to make offense....but Matt Shaub depends on Daniels a lot. And I'm not in the room and i dunno but...I got a feeling they've got one of the forth rounders targeted specifically for a TE.

I like Joel...but I haven't seen anything which suggests he is anything more than a younger slower Scott Bruenner.
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While on the original topic I think a TE is very unlikely, I don't get where you make the assertion Smith is a need guy rather than BPA (and of course, truth is all GM's are a combination of the two). Filling a need and being a need pick aren't synonymous.

What's with the certainty of ALWAYS?--Smith only has two drafts under his belt and for an under talented team--of course they want the 1st rounders to start. Plus Kubiak has final say anyway.
what i mean is that Smith doesn't go BPA until late on the second day. look at last year for example. he had his choice of Mendenhall, Otah, Baker, Talib, Felix Jones, or Chris Johnson who would've all filled some kind of need and after the trade down Smith still had his choice of the WRs, Cason, or hey, the best TE in the draft. but instead of drafting the flashy player Smith chose need. he drafted a tackle who could play the zone blocking system that was being put in place because that was the biggest need.

And what proves to you that this still isn't an undertalented team? the defense was 22nd in the league last year for a reason. i know this board loves to blame Richard Smith for it but that doesn't mean we still don't need a good, young safety or a true NT, or a prototypical SAM.
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I like Joel...but I haven't seen anything which suggests he is anything more than a younger slower Scott Bruenner.
I agree with you and even if they don't go TE with the 1st two picks, I could see one of the 4th used for a TE.

I think you mean Mark Bruener.
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what i mean is that Smith doesn't go BPA until late on the second day. look at last year for example. he had his choice of Mendenhall, Otah, Baker, Talib, Felix Jones, or Chris Johnson who would've all filled some kind of need and after the trade down Smith still had his choice of the WRs, Cason, or hey, the best TE in the draft. but instead of drafting the flashy player Smith chose need. he drafted a tackle who could play the zone blocking system that was being put in place because that was the biggest need.

And what proves to you that this still isn't an undertalented team? the defense was 22nd in the league last year for a reason. i know this board loves to blame Richard Smith for it but that doesn't mean we still don't need a good, young safety or a true NT, or a prototypical SAM.
After watching the Indy game today. There was a time with like a little over 3 mins left where Indy went for it on 4th and 7 and if we stop them, we win this game and there is no Rosencopter. Above all they went like 4/4 on 4th down against us. We need a playmaker on defense that does the things that gets our defense off the field in those situations so I agree with you.
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This is not really on topic (talking 1st or 2nd round), but a TE that I like is Zach Miller, Nebraska Omaha, in the 7th. Never played a down at TE, he was a QB in college. But he played TE at the Cactus Bowl (D2 all star game) and caught 5 passes for 116 yards and a TD. As a QB he rushed for over a thousand yards 2 of the 3 seasons he started. He is 6'4" 233 lbs, runs a 4.53 40 and has 37.5" vertical. Just a thought.

In the earlier rounds, I like Casey from Rice.
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I was thinking about this earlier (watching some old game film of the Chargers Dan Fouts to Kellen Winslow) Matt Schaub kinda reminds me of Dan Fouts. Pettigrew could be his Winslow. Kellen, 6-5 251 compares closely to Brandon 6-6 263 was a favorite target & better blocker than some think. Brandon loves to mix it up with linemen & linebackers giving you like an extra LT. with Pettigrew teams cannot shutdown Owen because Brandon would just pick up the slack & create more mis-matches especially in the Red Zone an area of some need. Brandon Pettigrew is dynamic & a sure fire elite talent for his position just as much a sure thing as Aaron Curry will be @ LB.

Anyway if nothing else take a look @ how Schaub compares to Fouts in the pocket, both love to fling the ball around (classic drop back style) pretty accurate (best throwing darts 15-20 yds) prone to mistakes/int's, not very athletic or mobile (get sacked often without extra protection) dump ball off to RB's & use the TE position with regularity.
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We have more important needs on the defensive side of the ball, but Brandon Pettigrew would be an interesting pick. He has the size and bulk and can block as well as any TE, having him on Schaub's blind side is like having an addittional LT. However, Iv'e read reports that he is not a smart player and has trouble with the playbook and is rather...cough, cough...dumb.
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I have no idea what the team will do, but the only TE I'd take would be Casey and I would spend a second rounder on him...dude is versatile and he could back up many spots in a pinch...Emergency QB, 3rd/2nd TE, Long snapper...I would pay that second rounder for that extra security and the ability to save a roster spot or two and carry some guys that might not have ordinarily made the team...

We don't really need to take a TE though...
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I suppose we could have a TE pick in our hip pocket, just in case, every round. so far -

1st - Brandon Pettigrew
2nd - James Casey
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here's a scarey thought - what about Connor Barwin in the 2nd?

dude can play TE as well as DE or OLB. 4.62 forty 40 1/2" vertical 33 3/4 arm length (combine) & Pro-Day -
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Well, we still have Clark Harris, the youngster out of Rutgers, who was the long snapper for us the last 4 games.

6'5 - 261 lbs
The Texans probably want to take closer look at him.

There's also a guy out of Iowa that I think will probably be an UDFA.
Brandon Myers 6'3-1/2 - 6'4, 250 lbs.
First team Big 10 by the coach.

Iowa is a balance team, so his number may not look like much.
55 catches in 2 years and 9 TDs.
But he was quite a good blocking TE, one of the reasons for Shonn Greene's success.
He's not a perfect blocker, but he's a very good fit for the ZBS that the Texans run.

He can take on the DE or the LB in the passing game.
You can also find him in space blocking for the receiver.
(I don't think I've seen him take a play off.)
He knows how to seal off the backside for a cut back run and how to block in space for the runner.

No fumble.
(BTW, Greene had two, which wasn't too bad.)

I wouldn't mind taking this Myers in as an UDFA.
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Well, we still have Clark Harris, the youngster out of Rutgers, who was the long snapper for us the last 4 games.

6'5 - 261 lbs
The Texans probably want to take closer look at him.

There's also a guy out of Iowa that I think will probably be an UDFA.
Brandon Myers 6'3-1/2 - 6'4, 250 lbs.
First team Big 10 by the coach.

Iowa is a balance team, so his number may not look like much.
55 catches in 2 years and 9 TDs.
But he was quite a good blocking TE, one of the reasons for Shonn Greene's success.
He's not a perfect blocker, but he's a very good fit for the ZBS that the Texans run.

He can take on the DE or the LB in the passing game.
You can also find him in space blocking for the receiver.
(I don't think I've seen him take a play off.)
He knows how to seal off the backside for a cut back run and how to block in space for the runner.

No fumble.
(BTW, Greene had two, which wasn't too bad.)

I wouldn't mind taking this Myers in as an UDFA.
Nice call on Myers. I'm a big fan of his.

Harris deserves at least a look from us.
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Nice call on Myers. I'm a big fan of his.

Harris deserves at least a look from us.
I see you want Greene in the third, right?
I wouldn't mind that, either... except maybe the Texans want a RB that is a little more adept at catching the ball out of the backfield???

And if Glen Coffee can be had in the 4th, maybe even the 5th, wouldn't that save us a third round pick?
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