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Old 01-20-2005   #41
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Hmm.. well in my other thread I mentioned how the DT pool in this draft just sucks for us. Hawthorne is the only guy im seeing who is capable of being a two gap lineman who can both stop the run, AND put pressure on a QB. That doesnt necessarily make him a great lineman for us though.. just possibly the best one IN THIS DRAFT. Marcus Spears could be a good lineman for us, though I dunno that he is a possible DT.

Ahh well.. god we still have months.
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Hmm.. well in my other thread I mentioned how the DT pool in this draft just sucks for us. Hawthorne is the only guy im seeing who is capable of being a two gap lineman who can both stop the run, AND put pressure on a QB. That doesnt necessarily make him a great lineman for us though.. just possibly the best one IN THIS DRAFT. Marcus Spears could be a good lineman for us, though I dunno that he is a possible DT.

Ahh well.. god we still have months.
Maybe it's just me, but in a 3-4 system, I want vets who know the ropes. Down when I was at training camp reporting on the Texans until I was guilty by association and had them revoked, I was able to talk to Robaire Smith about adjusting to a 3-4 as a lineman.

He was telling me about how complicated the defense is along with learning a new position shouldn't be tested by a rookie. Robaire is a smart cookie, and he had trouble getting used to the 3-4 at the beginning of the year, so I wouldn't take the risk. Sign Deloach, Sears and Payne back, and possibly draft Anthony Bryant in the 4th round, the only true Nose Tackle in the draft as a project player
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I dunno.. the same arguement could be made that a rookie coming in and learning to play in the NFL in a 3-4 would have no major preconceived notions about how to play his position.. a fresh slate so to speak.

Honestly just about any position could be better filled by a veteran.. but we need to infuse our defense with some youth.. especially on that Dline. Robaire is gonna be here a while if we play our cards right.. we need a couple guys to be there with him. having the same line for the next 5-7 years would be great.
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I dunno.. the same arguement could be made that a rookie coming in and learning to play in the NFL in a 3-4 would have no major preconceived notions about how to play his position.. a fresh slate so to speak.

Honestly just about any position could be better filled by a veteran.. but we need to infuse our defense with some youth.. especially on that Dline. Robaire is gonna be here a while if we play our cards right.. we need a couple guys to be there with him. having the same line for the next 5-7 years would be great.
I can see where you're coming from, but lets build on this. You say we need to add youth to the defense. Since this draft sucks so much at the DT position, why not add an impact secondary player or inside linebacker instead to add another piece of the puzzle, and then get a guy such as Haloti Ngata, Rod Wright, Orien Harris, Gabe Watson, or Anthony Montgomery, all guys that are likely 1st round picks next year.

Just because there is only 1 or 2 true impact DT's in the draft doesn't mean you need to reach in order to be that team that gets him. If there is a better player such as Channing Crowder, Derrick Johnson, Antrel Rolle, Pac Man Jones or Justin Miller if you move down that is there, I think you take him.
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I agree entirely with taking the best young player available.. I think Hawthorne is a guy that is up there with the best.. but as long as we get someone young and talented (preferrably on defense, but wherever).. then i dont really care who we take.
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