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Old 03-30-2009   #1
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Default Texans will draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd

I'm pretty convinced about that at this point, though my mind could change.

Based on some things that Kubiak has said, and how this team has acted in the past I don't see us escaping the first day without the second half of our RB duo in place.

-Kubiak says that he was pleasantly surprised that Slaton held up for as many games as he did and that he doesn't believe that Steve can be counted on to have that kind of iron man season every year.

-Kubes says he needs another starting caliber back

-Supposedly, Kubes wanted to trade up for Deangelo Williams the year we got Demeco

-We have not signed any veteran RB's in free agency

-Most other position have somewhat reliable depth

-Our biggest off-season additions so far have come on the defensive side of the ball; They said they wanted to improve that area of the defense and the first thing they did was fire the coach. They may feel like that alone makes us a much better unit. Greenwood and Weaver are no longer here. Assuming Antonio Smith is alive he should be better than Weaver, and Adibi as a rookie helped spark our defense more than Greenwood did in his entire tenure.


If we roll into the draft as is, I don't see our front office not placing another RB as a priority considering how much importance we've placed on that position in the past and our lack of reliable threats currently on the roster. Of course my mind changes all the time, but right now this is what I'm currently feeling. Thoughts ?
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Nope, 3rd round or later.
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yeah i think rashad jennings or andre brown in the 3rd/4th looks pretty likely. if wells, donald brown, green or mccoy slip to 48 then maybe
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Default Re: Texans will draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd

Andre Brown in the 3rd sounds about right.
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Nope, 3rd round or later.
If the Texans are serious about making their play-off push this year I think the likelihood of that happening as of right now is low.

Last year when we took Slaton in the third we had Ahman Green, Chris Taylor, Darius Walker and Chris Brown. I don't think that their intention was to rely on Slaton who was a third round pick.

We don't have all those bodies and vets who we know can atleast play on the proffesional level. I don't see how they could feel confident about any third round or later pick coming in and being 1b. Though it sounds good in theory, I just don't see that.
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This guy agrees with you Polo

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...nd-mock-draft/

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46. Houston: Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa

Gives the Texans a nice complement to RB Steve Slaton in the run game
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I agree with HOU-TEX. I don't see a RB before the 3rd. I'm still wondering if we're going to try and grab a Denver cast off or surplus player with a late round pick. It seems like we'd have NFL film on those guys and that Kubiak could find out anything he wanted to know about them via the Shanny connection. Slaton's backup could come out of that pack and I'd be happy.
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i hope we do draft an rb 1st round just to stop these threads from popping up every year lol
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I think that going after Benson when we went after Benson says a lot about the Texans view of the RB position. They don't want to take flyers on guys there when it comes to being an intergal part of the offense. They seem to want guys that have proven they could play in this leauge at a high level.

We could have gotten Benson before he went to the Bengals (during the season when we really didn't have anyone besides Steve), but they didn't really show major interest until after he went to Cincy and had some success...

I just don't see the Texans waiting too long to get that combo sured up when in the past they've shown that they want realiability there. Had we gotten Benson then I would have said we would get a back in the 4th or later...but without any other backs on the roster I'm not seeing it...

The Denver cast-offs are a possibility, but right now I just gotta process the info I'm given...and right now we are scarily thin there...

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I agree with HOU-TEX. I don't see a RB before the 3rd. I'm still wondering if we're going to try and grab a Denver cast off or surplus player with a late round pick. It seems like we'd have NFL film on those guys and that Kubiak could find out anything he wanted to know about them via the Shanny connection. Slaton's backup could come out of that pack and I'd be happy.
True, there's still a lot of FA acquisitions to be had as well. The Texans will bring in several more FA's and UDFA's before camp.

As far as the comment above about needing to draft a RB on the first day to be serious about the playoffs this season------->
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Default Re: Texans will draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd

1st round...no, I just can't see them doing it. 2nd-7th okay and I think we may get out of there with 2 picks at RB but I honestly can't imagine them being any higher than 3rd rounders. 2nd as long as it's not Green.
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Default Re: Texans will draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd

I see almost zero chance we draft a back before the 3rd round myself. Not only am I tired of seeing a rotten defense, I think the team is a bit tired of having to score 30 points to win a game also.
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I'm pretty convinced about that at this point, though my mind could change.

Based on some things that Kubiak has said, and how this team has acted in the past I don't see us escaping the first day without the second half of our RB duo in place.

-Kubiak says that he was pleasantly surprised that Slaton held up for as many games as he did and that he doesn't believe that Steve can be counted on to have that kind of iron man season every year.

-Kubes says he needs another starting caliber back

-Supposedly, Kubes wanted to trade up for Deangelo Williams the year we got Demeco

-We have not signed any veteran RB's in free agency

-Most other position have somewhat reliable depth

-Our biggest off-season additions so far have come on the defensive side of the ball; They said they wanted to improve that area of the defense and the first thing they did was fire the coach. They may feel like that alone makes us a much better unit. Greenwood and Weaver are no longer here. Assuming Antonio Smith is alive he should be better than Weaver, and Adibi as a rookie helped spark our defense more than Greenwood did in his entire tenure.


If we roll into the draft as is, I don't see our front office not placing another RB as a priority considering how much importance we've placed on that position in the past and our lack of reliable threats currently on the roster. Of course my mind changes all the time, but right now this is what I'm currently feeling. Thoughts ?
I just think given the zone-blocking system that we run, that it isn't a necessity to draft a back in the first two rounds. Sure, a highly skilled back that could excel in our system could be the next Clinton Portis (or Steve Slaton hopefully!), but what Denver proved is it doesn't depend so much on the player as it does on the system. With that said, I think it much more likely to focus the first two picks on the defensive side of the ball, and then in the 3rd or later go for a solid RB with good vision and football IQ, and hope he pans out like SS did for us last year.
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They let Reggie Bush re-enter the draft?
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I agree with HOU-TEX. I don't see a RB before the 3rd. I'm still wondering if we're going to try and grab a Denver cast off or surplus player with a late round pick. It seems like we'd have NFL film on those guys and that Kubiak could find out anything he wanted to know about them via the Shanny connection. Slaton's backup could come out of that pack and I'd be happy.
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I see almost zero chance we draft a back before the 3rd round myself. Not only am I tired of seeing a rotten defense, I think the team is a bit tired of having to score 30 points to win a game also.
I'm with the pack on this one...drafting an RB prior to the 3rd is almost sacriligious for the ZBS scheme.
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As far as the comment above about needing to draft a RB on the first day to be serious about the playoffs this season------->
I think it's terribly funny that anyone thinks that adding a 3rd round pick to our backfield will amount to much. Especially when Slaton wasn't supposed to be anything more than a reliever, change of pace, 3rd down back, returner...

I doubt the Texans have as much faith in third round picks becoming starter caliber RB's as most of you guys.
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Default Re: Texans will draft a RB in the 1st or 2nd

As the guy had in the above mock I can see maybe a 2nd rounder if the right guy is there but I think they can get their guy with Gartrell Johnson in the mid to later rounds.
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I just think given the zone-blocking system that we run, that it isn't a necessity to draft a back in the first two rounds. Sure, a highly skilled back that could excel in our system could be the next Clinton Portis (or Steve Slaton hopefully!), but what Denver proved is it doesn't depend so much on the player as it does on the system. With that said, I think it much more likely to focus the first two picks on the defensive side of the ball, and then in the 3rd or later go for a solid RB with good vision and football IQ, and hope he pans out like SS did for us last year.
I think the 1b running back is too important to simply "hope" he pans out.

And I think that any RB will do in the ZBS is way overrated and Kubiak and Co. haven't even demonstrated that they feel this way in any shape or form so I'm not sure why it keeps getting repeated as if it's fact...

I don't see how anyone could still feel this way after we paid so much for Ahman and also brought in Chris Brown to be his back-up....Not sure why anyone thinks the Texans are going to hand the keys to late round picks when they've always seemed to have wanted to avoid that...

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I think most would agree a trade back in the first would be ideal if we could still land a Matthews. Now if that does happen, I think an extra pick in the draft could enable us to possibly look at a RB in the second if they are in love with a guy. Thats the only way I see it going down as of now.
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I think the 1b running back is too important to simply "hope" he pans out.

And I think that any RB will do in the ZBS is way overrated and Kubiak and Co. haven't even demonstrated that they feel this way in any shape or form so I'm not sure why it keeps getting repeated as if it's fact...

I don't see how anyone could still feel this way after we paid so much for Ahman and also brought in Chris Brown to be his back-up....Not sure why anyone thinks the Texans are going to hand the keys to late round picks when they've always seemed to have wanted to avoid that...
Great points in this thread Polo and I agree with just about everything you have said. I find it funny as well at how cocky some posters on this board have gotten with our running game just because we have Slaton and he worked out for us. NOt a lot of people around the league and experts expected Slaton to be that great in the NFL. Like GP pointed out in another thread in that Slaton was like Kubiak's last quarter in a slot machine. Lol! I thought that was a great analogy. People seem to foget how bad this offense was under Kubiak's philosophy of wanting to constantly pound the ball and you don't even have a good RB to do it. If we don't have a good running game next season we'll go nowhere.

What if Slaton gets hurt for a significant amount of time? Our offense will drop off a lot. The biggest reason why our offense was able to go up and down the field a lot more last season was because of the improved running attack from Slaton. In Kubiak's first two seasons our rushing game was awful behind his arrogance of the ZBS. He wasn't able to implement all of that well with those horrible backs we had and we suffered because of it. Last year we suffered from the red zone woes as well, and a stronger bruising back is pretty essential in short yardage situations. It's good to have both, and with the way that RB's get hurt so easily now days, you want to have two productive ones.

At first I wanted our first few picks to be mainly defense, but I think Wells would make our offense extremely dynamic and we could do so much with him and Slaton paired together. I also wouldn't mind getting Shonn Greene with a traded down first round pick or a second round pick but I doubt he'll be there with our 2nd rounder.
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