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Old 01-18-2005   #1
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What do you guys think about that? I was just on ESPN Insider in rumor central and they saying that the Texans might get him for a solid #2 WR to be opposite AJ.
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Does the rumor include something about him being a cap casualty? ... because he's still under contract through the end of '05 and not a free agent.
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Are we going to turn into the Rockets and get players from bad teams .Their on bad teams for a reason.
I don't know how long we'll be protected by the expantion label before we're judged by wins and losses.
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I think Rod Garder would go great in Houston and he would be a perfect weapon for Carr. He would be a whole lot better than Corey Bradford who is our number 2 and he only had 27 catches for 399 yards and he played in all the games, that's sad. Rod Gardner has had over 50 catches all but his rookie year when he had 46. If the deal does workout and he doesn't want some god awful amount of money, I think it will perfect.
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Does the rumor include something about him being a cap casualty? ... because he's still under contract through the end of '05 and not a free agent.


No, but I remember reading an article saying the Redskins were looking to trade him for a mid round pick.
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In my opinion there are just some receivers who are meant to be #2 receivers. I could give you names, but I'm tired. I will say though that Rod Gardener is 1 of them.

I think that is something we are going to have to look at this offseason, is finding a #2 receiver, wether its in the draft, free agency, or maybe its someone already on the team. But not having one I think is hurting this offense more than you think.
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Gardener is a pretty good WR, he has decent hands as well as speed. But he does drop some catchable balls.
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Are we going to turn into the Rockets and get players from bad teams .Their on bad teams for a reason.
Funny, and I thought the worst teams in the league got the best players in each draft. Go figure, all those top draft slots hold off for the super bowl teams to take the good ones.

Gardner was a 1st round 15th overall pick. Haven't watched enough Skins football to know the reason, but his yards per catch and yards after catch have gone down every year. That said, he also has caught at least 600 yds each year and had over 1000 his 2nd year. Big red flag (in terms of all the complaining potential) he had 9 dropped passes this year and 8 last year--FYI, AJ, Armstrong, Bradford and Gaffney combined for 8 dropped passes this year. But as AJ has shown that may be something that coaching and hard work can improve.
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The Patriots must be kicking themselves for getting Corey Dillon from the bad Bengals.
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gardner is a solid reciever...keep in mind several of his nine drops this year were due to the old QB throwing to him in double coverage and were hella hard catches to make to begin with...if we can get gardner for 3rd or 4th round pick i wouldn't complain one bit but i would hope that unlike the greg robinson deal we actually keep the guy longer than one season
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Rod Gardner is a very servicable WR. I have a feeling that he will really break out with the Skins this year. It's his contract year and he will want to prove that he's not a bust. The reason for his bad production this year is the Skins pitiful pass offense. The bulk of the passing went to Coles, so it didn't give Gardner enough chances. He would be a good addition for the Texans and I would want a 2nd or 3rd at worst for him.

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I don't know how one can look at Gardner's & Gaffney's numbers are see any big difference in Gardner's favor. I can't see a reason why Armstrong can't be as or more effective than Gardner. And comparing a Gardner acquisition to the Pats getting Corey Dillon? Dillon was a 6-time 1000 yard rusher & former Pro Bowler. Gardner's just a guy who was once a 1st round draft pick. Think a younger version of JJ Stokes. Even mid round picks are worth more than that.
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Gardner isn't worth any more than a 3rd. No way we give up a 2nd for this guy, and I doubt that we pursue him and give up any decent pick. He is not all that fast but he has an NFL body. He is a physical player for a WR.
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If anything we need a wide receiver with speed to replace Bradford.
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If the don't sign Bradford and do not sign a FA or draft one then we go into the season with Johnson, Gaffney, and Armstrong. Please take off your rose colored glasses and see that that lineup just won't cut it. I am not sure however that Gardner is any better than Bradford, but from what we've seen so far from Bradford we can't be missing much.
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I dont know if this has been brought up yet, but lance was speculating about the texans going after travis taylor as a secondary wr. though he has underachieved in ball control baltimore, a change of scenery could do him good. i think he is a free agent, and would probably come cheaper than gardner as far as money and draft picks.

who would you rather have?

Taylor: 6-1 210lbs
Gardner: 6-2 213lbs
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either would be a major improvement over bradford. We need a solid #2 in order for AJ to take his next step toward greatness. And a FA wr would allow us to beef up the O-line through the draft.
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The Texans need a good #2 that is a legitimate threat. Consider some of the better offenes in the league. Indy has Wayne and Stokley. St. Louis has Isaac Bruce (I am pretty sure Holt is the #1 now.) Marcus Robinson for the Vikings. I just think it is time to move a young speedster.
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Well, I think the bottom line is simple. Gaffney and Armstrong are set in the slot. We will likely look to replace Bradford with someone. I would be shocked if it is not a speed guy. In today's NFL you need 3 solid WR's because the 3wr sets are the dominant offensive sets in the league. We have two of the three positions ready to go. We just need to replace Bradfords role in the offense.
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Here's the article from the Tampa paper on Gardner:
http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGBRHOEI04E.html

Taylor had injury problems this year - groin and back - that kept him out of 5 games.

Gardner costs more than Taylor and is in his contract year. One year rental at $1.45 mil instead of commiting three or more years to the guy?

Neither guy makes me go wow, but I think both could be servicable #2's. Maybe a change of scenery will help one or both. They are both playing in offenses that are near the bottom of the league.
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