NFL Expansion

[rmartin65]

First: Let me say that I know that thins wont happen. The 32 team league is perfect for scheduling, and adding more team will even further dilute the talent pool. This is purely hypothetical and for fun, so have a good time with it.

Scenario: You have just obtained a large sum of wealth, and have decided to start an expansion team. It has gone through the NFL, and ok'd by the league. In what city do you place the team? And why?

[rmartin65]

Here are the cities I think have the most potential.

Los Angeles, California
Las Vegas, Nevada
Portland, Oregon
Omaha, Nebraska
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
San Antonio, Texas
Toronto, Ontario
Birmingham, Alabama
Salt Lake City, Utah
Albuquerque, New Mexico
El Paso, Texas
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Wichita, Kansas
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Louisville, Kentucky
San Jose, California
Honolulu, Hawaii
Columbus, Ohio

[TexansSeminole]

Easily in LA.

It is a top 5 city in populace in the U.S, and they already have a beautiful stadium in progress.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Easily in LA.

It is a top 5 city in populace in the U.S, and they already have a beautiful stadium in progress.

Absolutely not. That is the last place in the entire UNited States that I want to get a football team. For one, they had their chances with the Rams and the Raiders and the Chargers were there I believe as well a long time ago. That city doesn't deserve a football team after that many times. Why should they get another shot at one? Plus, LA already has a team. They're called the Dallas Cowgirls.

And if that happened, it would be just like the Lakers are in basketball and the Yankees are in football. That is all the media would talk about is that team and the league would go out of it's way to give them special favors like it already does for Jerry Jones and they would want them into the post season as much as they could.

I've already seen how both the MLB and the NBA seem to go out of their way to help out those big market teams and want them to be successful, and quite frankly I think that's a lot of BS. Just my little rant of $.02

[brakos82]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Here are the cities I think have the most potential.

Los Angeles, California Too much drama.
Las Vegas, Nevada This has potential.
Portland, Oregon I think I'd go here.
Omaha, Nebraska Not a lot of population.
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma I thought the Okies already had the Girls...
San Antonio, Texas *insert similar statement to Oklahoma*
Toronto, Ontario Bills.
Birmingham, Alabama Actually, I like this idea in a weird way.
Salt Lake City, Utah "Utah Mormons"... yeah, that'll go over well...
Albuquerque, New Mexico Sort of a small pop, but growing quickly. Maybe.
El Paso, Texas Same as Alba-kwirky.
Virginia Beach, Virginia I think I'd go after Richmond first.
Wichita, Kansas I'm not impressed.
Tulsa, Oklahoma I don't think so.
Louisville, Kentucky Meh...
San Jose, California 3 Bay teams? Hell no.
Honolulu, Hawaii That'll just cause jet lag from the East Coast. X
Columbus, Ohio 3 Ohio teams? Hell no.

There's my opinions.

[TimeKiller]

Los Angeles, California Agreed, too much drama.
Las Vegas, Nevada Too much gambling. Wink.
Portland, Oregon Sounds nice.
Omaha, Nebraska Too small.
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma sucks.
San Antonio, Texas 100% Dallas Cowboy territory. So keep loving them jerks.
Toronto, Ontario I laughed at brakos' one word "Bills." but it's only funny because it's true.
Birmingham, Alabama The Alabama Hyyyuuuuuuucks?
Salt Lake City, Utah
Albuquerque, New Mexico Too small.
El Paso, Texas Too small.
Virginia Beach, Virginia hmmmm....nnnnno.
Wichita, Kansas Keep dreaming Wichita.
Tulsa, Oklahoma No seriously, doesn't anybody know how much Oklahoma sucks?
Louisville, Kentucky Maybe.
San Jose, California Too close together
Honolulu, Hawaii Hey, at least the East Coast will get a taste of the medicine.
Columbus, Ohio Man, that city is so wrapped up in the Buckeyes it's almost weird.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by brakos82

There's my opinions.

Thanks for your feedback, some things I missed there.

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Los Angeles, California Agreed, too much drama.
Las Vegas, Nevada Too much gambling. Wink.
Portland, Oregon Sounds nice.
Omaha, Nebraska Too small.
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma sucks.
San Antonio, Texas 100% Dallas Cowboy territory. So keep loving them jerks.
Toronto, Ontario I laughed at brakos' one word "Bills." but it's only funny because it's true.
Birmingham, Alabama The Alabama Hyyyuuuuuuucks?
Salt Lake City, Utah
Albuquerque, New Mexico Too small.
El Paso, Texas Too small.
Virginia Beach, Virginia hmmmm....nnnnno.
Wichita, Kansas Keep dreaming Wichita.
Tulsa, Oklahoma No seriously, doesn't anybody know how much Oklahoma sucks?
Louisville, Kentucky Maybe.
San Jose, California Too close together
Honolulu, Hawaii Hey, at least the East Coast will get a taste of the medicine.
Columbus, Ohio Man, that city is so wrapped up in the Buckeyes it's almost weird.

Same for you. Are there any cities you do like?

[rmartin65]

My rankings:

1) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
2) Las Vegas, Nevada
3) Honolulu, Hawaii
4) Birmingham, Alabama
5) Salt Lake City, Utah
6) Omaha, Nebraska
7) Portland, Oregon
8) San Antonio, Texas
9) Los Angeles, California
10) Louisville, Kentucky
11) Toronto, Ontario
12) San Jose, California
13) Wichita, Kansas
14) El Paso, Texas
15) Columbus, Ohio
16) Tulsa, Oklahoma
17) Albuquerque, New Mexico
18) Virginia Beach, Virginia

[ChrisG]

Vegas

would make a great trip for ppl go to the casinos and see a nfl game

the NFL commish would never let this happen b/c of all the gambling on the games

[Bulluck53]

Its going to be tough to start from scratch in the South.... college football's roots are almost too deep.

I like the idea of Louisville, but it may be too close to Indy and Cincy to really gain interest from the people there. The best option may be Canada, but not Toronto

[imatexan]

LA for sure, my favorite city needs a football team!

Then probaly Vegas, I wouldnt go to most the other spots.

[TimeKiller]

my ranks:

Las Vegas, Nevada
Toronto, Ontario
Portland, Oregon
Birmingham, Alabama
Louisville, Kentucky
Honolulu, Hawaii
Omaha, Nebraska
Salt Lake City, Utah
Los Angeles, California
Albuquerque, New Mexico
El Paso, Texas
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Wichita, Kansas
San Jose, California
Columbus, Ohio
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Worst place ever
Tulsa, Oklahoma
San Antonio, Texas keep loving the cowboys jerks.

I'd say the Northwest, the Desert Area and Canada sound like prime spots because of the lack of franchises.

[TexansSeminole]

My top 5 are:

1. Los Angeles, California (explained above)
2. Birmingham, Alabama (There are alot of die hard football fans in Alabama, plus it's in the southeast where their aren't enough pro teams IMO.)
3. Las Vegas, Nevada
4. Portland, Oregon
5. Virginia Beach, Virginia (Actually alot of football fans in this area. I know recruiting in this area is big.)

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Absolutely not. That is the last place in the entire UNited States that I want to get a football team. For one, they had their chances with the Rams and the Raiders and the Chargers were there I believe as well a long time ago. That city doesn't deserve a football team after that many times. Why should they get another shot at one? Plus, LA already has a team. They're called the Dallas Cowgirls.

Wow, this is 3 in a row....except the cowboy comment. How can people still be fans of teams in L.A?The reason why LA has never worked as a market over the past 2 decades is because people there don't give a rats ass about football. They don't show up for games and they don't really care. Have you heard any uproar about no football in L.A.?No, except from people with money who want to force it.

I'd put mine in San Antonio. Not because the city is my favorite but because they are a one team town that loves the Spurs and they love sports...see many NCAA tournies and Big XII games, bowls and Cowboy camps. They would build a stadium while you played in what they had and you would get a ton of fans.

After that I'd put Portland up there. Honolulu would be too much trouble with travel and Vegas is too much of too many other things while not being really in a hotbed, at this time, of communities. What else is in the desert?And I love the city.

[Señor Stan]

If we are going international (Toronto), I'd give a lot of thought to Monterrey, Mexico.

I'd also consider the Rio Grande Valley before El Paso.

[rmartin65]

Are people's only problems with Honolulu the distance? Because I think it can be fixed. It is a 6 hour difference from the west coast. If they go there on Monday, bodies have more than enough time to adjust.

[El Tejano]

Originally Posted by brakos82

There's my opinions.

I share the same opinion as you do. Las Vegas did have WFL team once and it didn't go so well though.

Football however, is the sport in Alabama and they could really go for it.

Oklahoma and the other Texas cities have to compete with Jerry Jones monopolizing networks. As a Texan fan we know that first hand.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Are people's only problems with Honolulu the distance? Because I think it can be fixed. It is a 6 hour difference from the west coast. If they go there on Monday, bodies have more than enough time to adjust.

There is alot of lag. There has already been shown that teams with negative body clocks...going West Coast to East Coast, etc...have a hard time in those games. With 16 games and the out of division games someone from the middle to Eastern time zones is going to have to travel. Add that to the fact that Hawaii is a tourist state on most islands. Even the Bowl games and Pro Bowls there aren't full. You won't be getting much money out of it.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

There is alot of lag. There has already been show that teams with negative body clocks...going West Coast to East Coast, etc...have a hard time in those games. With 16 games and the out of division games someone from the middle to Eastern time zones is going to have to travel. Add that to the fact that Hawaii is a tourist state on most islands. Even the Bowl games and Pro Bowls there aren't full. You won't be getting much money out of it.

Ah. Thanks, I was curious.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Wow, this is 3 in a row....except the cowboy comment. How can people still be fans of teams in L.A?The reason why LA has never worked as a market over the past 2 decades is because people there don't give a rats ass about football. They don't show up for games and they don't really care. Have you heard any uproar about no football in L.A.?No, except from people with money who want to force it.

I'd put mine in San Antonio. Not because the city is my favorite but because they are a one team town that loves the Spurs and they love sports...see many NCAA tournies and Big XII games, bowls and Cowboy camps. They would build a stadium while you played in what they had and you would get a ton of fans.

After that I'd put Portland up there. Honolulu would be too much trouble with travel and Vegas is too much of too many other things while not being really in a hotbed, at this time, of communities. What else is in the desert?And I love the city.

I agree with you here as well. SA seems to support the Spurs a lot and I could see them getting behind a football team over there.

The only problem though would be the fact that so many fans over there root for the Cowboys and if the team got off to a real rough start like the Texans have a lot of those fans might jump ship right back onto the Cowboys. I'm not sure exactly how well a lot of those fans would do with adversity when a lot of them have been life long Cowboys fans and might want to keep their loyalties with them.

If they did pretty well though early on like the Panthers and the Jags did, then they could possibly be a really good city for a team.