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Old 02-18-2005   #1
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On TexasSports.com there is an article on the spring 2005 and it states that Vince Young is one of the most accurate passers in school history. They also blame his TD/INT ratio on their reliance on running in the red zone, taking away easy TD passes and the lack of goos WRs.

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Vince Young is the winningest quarterback after two years in school history at 17-2. Major was 17-6 and James Brown was 14-2-1. Vince has the highest percentage of passing completion after two years. He has been an outstanding passer for us. The ratio that needs to improve is 18 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. The thing that hurts his touchdown completion percentage is that he runs so well. We don't throw the ball as much down around the goal line as we used to. We are taking away some of his easy touchdown passes and we are making it more difficult for him. Where Vince separates himself from the bunch is with his feet.
In two years, Vince has gained 2,077 yards rushing, while after two years Donnie Little had gained 820 and Bret Stafford 351 yards. Obviously what Vince brings to us is the most accurate arm we've had with fewer passes. He has a touchdown to interception ratio we feel that can improve, and is the best quarterback with his feet. He's becoming one of the great passers in our school history, as well. He also probably had less experienced receivers than any of those other guys. Hopefully that will improve drastically as we improve.

Alot of people have been hating on Vince, saying he should play WR. Mack Brown doesnt think so.
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I love Vince Young but the reason his completion rate is so high is because the main passing plays Mack runs for him is when Young bootlegs to the right where a TE comes free and he just dumps it off 7 yards and then the TE picks up another 5...
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sounds like another one of Casserlys QB projects.

im REAL interested in BJ and Ragone over in europe. those guys are trade bait for the future. if one of them really shines.. we could use em to start stockpiling draft picks.
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Vince may have a gun for a arm but there is no way this guy is really accurate. He can run, throw the ball a mile but games show that he isn't that great of a short yardage passer, not being able to fit balls were they need to be. He will make it to the NFL someday, but very doubtfull as a QB.
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Vince may have a gun for a arm but there is no way this guy is really accurate. He can run, throw the ball a mile but games show that he isn't that great of a short yardage passer, not being able to fit balls were they need to be. He will make it to the NFL someday, but very doubtfull as a QB.
Give me a break I wouldnt be suprised if hes the second QB picked in the draft next year.(only behind Matt Leinhart) He has too much potetial. Did you see the Rose Bowl? Did you see how well he passed,as well as ran, he completely took over that game. I mean his Tes dropped 2 passes each, Benson dropped a pass, and Jeffrey dropped 2 but he still completed 16 of 28 passes. I see as much promise in him as I did Mike Vick coming out of college.
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Give me a break I wouldnt be suprised if hes the second QB picked in the draft next year.(only behind Matt Leinhart) He has too much potetial.
I'd be hard pressed to put him as the #2 QB in the draft next year. Guys like Chris Leak out of Florida and Darell Hackney out of UAB (similar to Culpepper or McNair) could declare for the draft, and they're both already more of a finished product that the NFL looks for than Young.
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Yes they are more polished QBs than VY but neither have the potential or athleticism that Vince has. He will improve from last year, and thats the scary thing, you already cant stop him running but as he progresses as a passer hell become more and more unstoppable.
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Vince Young reminds me of a very young, very unpolished Randall Cunningham. Cunningham went on to win 3 MVP's and was a great runner early in his career (he split time with Ron Jawarski at first), and later developed his similar long throwing motion into a viable NFL QB.
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I've seen him play a few times, and honestly have to see he is a pretty bad passer. A lot of his mid-long range throws have fairly low velocity, which leads to his high interception/pass attempt ratio.
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Vince Young has a really strong arm . If you saw him the Army high school all star game he thew a ball 60 yds against the wind . I think their trying to shorten his delivery to get the ball out faster .
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He has no problem getting the ball out with velocity, his right arm is a rocket, it all boils down to if he can learn to make better decisions and better throws.
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It just seems like he short arms the ball . I like watching Vince Young play . If Major Applewhite could work with Vince it would help . Major was a little guy with a weenie am and bad knees but he somehow got by .
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Give me a break I wouldnt be suprised if hes the second QB picked in the draft next year.(only behind Matt Leinhart) He has too much potetial. Did you see the Rose Bowl? Did you see how well he passed,as well as ran, he completely took over that game. I mean his Tes dropped 2 passes each, Benson dropped a pass, and Jeffrey dropped 2 but he still completed 16 of 28 passes. I see as much promise in him as I did Mike Vick coming out of college.
I saw him beat them in the rose bowl with his legs and a couple boot legs to the TE, beyond that his passing wasn't that great. The guy is a great athlete but hasn't shown enough to be a dominate passer yet. Plus because of Mack Brown at Texas, VY won't leave untill after his senior year like everyone else has.
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Yes they are more polished QBs than VY but neither have the potential or athleticism that Vince has. He will improve from last year, and thats the scary thing, you already cant stop him running but as he progresses as a passer hell become more and more unstoppable.
I'm not sure who you're watching but both Leak and Hackney have loads of potential. Leak's accuracy is already of NFL caliber, and he too will only improve. Not to mention he has a new head coach in Urban who likes to throw the ball around so Leak will have plenty of oppurtunites to improve. Hackney has a cannon for an arm, and his accuracy, although not as good as Leak's, is better than Young's. He's got good pocket awareness, and he too will likely improve as he matures as a QB. Leak has decent running ability, and he'll be able to run to get you a first down when he needs too. Hackney is able to run to move the chains too, but he's not the burner that Young is. The best attribute about Hackney is he's built like a LB or DE (kind of like Culpepper) and guys just bounce off of him when they try to hit him. Also, he has that Brady/Manning/McNabb like quality where they're constantly looking down the field to find the open receiver. I don't know about you, but I want my QB to get the ball into the hands of my playmakers down the field. Either way I'm pretty sure that both Leak and Hackney will be juniors next season, and they have as much time as Young to improve. Given that I think it will be hard for Young to be the 2nd QB taken with Leinhart likely to be the first one gone.
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11/13 @Kansas Win 27-23
22 40 289 55.0 7.2 1 2
Vince Young Texas

9/11 Wyoming Win 31-0
17 24 298 70.8 12.4 1 0
Reggie McNeal Texas A&M

9/14 @Bowling Green Loss 51-28
28 50 334 56.0 6.7 2 1
Brad Smith Missouri

10/5 @Arizona State Win 38-35
25 40 417 62.5 10.4 5 2
Darian Durant North Carolina

10/2 Arkansas Win 45-30
23 38 322 60.5 8.5 3 0
Chris Leak Florida

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I found these 5 QBs, getting there best game they have played (not all games from this past year). All of them have good running ability but what I'm focusing on is the passing. Vince still has to time to improve but he hasn't shown to be the premier passer. In two years, he has had only three games with 200+ passing yards where as Reggie McNeal has had 10 out of 13 games this season (including bowl game). And notice both Reggie and Vince came into college at the same time.
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On TexasSports.com there is an article on the spring 2005 and it states that Vince Young is one of the most accurate passers in school history. They also blame his TD/INT ratio on their reliance on running in the red zone, taking away easy TD passes and the lack of goos WRs.




Alot of people have been hating on Vince, saying he should play WR. Mack Brown doesnt think so.

Mack Brown is funny. I have yet to hear him say anything negative about anybody or anything. UT could be playing Gonzaga in football and Mack brown will find something positive to say about them and how dangerous of a football team they are.


VY to me has a ways to go in the throwing department. Granted he doesn't have the WR's that Simms and Applewhite had.
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In two years, he has had only three games with 200+ passing yards where as Reggie McNeal has had 10 out of 13 games this season (including bowl game). And notice both Reggie and Vince came into college at the same time.
Dont you think that having a RB named Cedric Benson on your team had anything to do with that. When was the last time you heard someone say Courtney Lewis was a 1st rounder. Not to mention that they run so many QB sneaks and draws that they take away from his natural play making ability, hes gonna run the ball sometimes anyway, so why not drop him back and give him some WRs to look at? Thats another reason his passing game is so lacking, the OC or Mack Brown would call for him to throw 1 out of every 6 or 7 plays. H
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On TexasSports.com there is an article on the spring 2005 and it states that Vince Young is one of the most accurate passers in school history. They also blame his TD/INT ratio on their reliance on running in the red zone, taking away easy TD passes and the lack of goos WRs.
I think there's an enormous difference between being an accurate QB and having a high completion percentage. Young's not even the most accurate QB on the team now. He's just the best college QB on the team.

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Give me a break I wouldnt be suprised if hes the second QB picked in the draft next year.(only behind Matt Leinhart) He has too much potetial. Did you see the Rose Bowl? Did you see how well he passed,as well as ran, he completely took over that game. I mean his Tes dropped 2 passes each, Benson dropped a pass, and Jeffrey dropped 2 but he still completed 16 of 28 passes. I see as much promise in him as I did Mike Vick coming out of college.
And how many of those passes covered more than 15 yards thru the air? I saw the Rose Bowl. I saw a slow defense that was shredded by another QB that could run just 4 weeks earlier. Outstanding performance by Young. But one that would catapult him up the charts in the draft? Hardly.

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Vince Young reminds me of a very young, very unpolished Randall Cunningham. Cunningham went on to win 3 MVP's and was a great runner early in his career (he split time with Ron Jawarski at first), and later developed his similar long throwing motion into a viable NFL QB.
I believe Favre is the only player to win 3 MVPs. In fact, I don't believe Cunningham won any.

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Vince Young has a really strong arm . If you saw him the Army high school all star game he thew a ball 60 yds against the wind . I think their trying to shorten his delivery to get the ball out faster .

He has no problem getting the ball out with velocity, his right arm is a rocket, it all boils down to if he can learn to make better decisions and better throws.

It just seems like he short arms the ball . I like watching Vince Young play . If Major Applewhite could work with Vince it would help . Major was a little guy with a weenie am and bad knees but he somehow got by .
He doesn't short arm it...he's just got a flicted throwing motion. And sadly, it's getting worse. I think his other problem is he tries to aim the ball too much instead of just passing it. He has way too many overthrows and passes that are behind his receivers or hit the ground two feet short. If he could work on his footwork and step into his throws, this would fix some of those problems.

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I found these 5 QBs, getting there best game they have played (not all games from this past year). All of them have good running ability but what I'm focusing on is the passing. Vince still has to time to improve but he hasn't shown to be the premier passer. In two years, he has had only three games with 200+ passing yards where as Reggie McNeal has had 10 out of 13 games this season (including bowl game). And notice both Reggie and Vince came into college at the same time.
Is it really a good idea to point out the lack of 200+ yard passing games for a QB that plays in a running offense? How many 100 yard rushing performances did those other teams have last year?

Young averaged 20 passes per game last season. It's pretty hard to top 200+ yards when you're not throwing the ball (or when you are throwing it you're dumping it off to your TEs).

He can throw the ball. But he's not the "2nd most accurate QB in Texas' history". And he won't be the 2nd QB taken in the draft behind Leinart if he decides to leave early. He's not a great passer but he doesn't have to be...at least not at this level.

Just don't confuse the greatness of a college QB with what's required to be a good NFL QB.
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Well, there were multiple awards back then and none were given officially by the NFL. He was never the "AP" winner if that is what you mean. It took Randall Cunningham 7 seasons to throw for 60% for the first time in the NFL. I'm not calling Young RC, but he is probably the guy closest to his bodytype and skill-set I have seen in the NFL if Young matures into a real NFL QB. Cunningham won the mvp in *1988, *1990, and *1998 and rushed for 3437 yards in his first 81 games (and he was a part time QB at first).

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Roger Craig, RB - San Francisco (Newspaper Enterprise Association)
Randall Cunningham, QB - Philadelphia (Maxwell Club of Philadelphia)

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Randall Cunningham, QB - Philadelphia (Pro Football Writers Association of America)
Joe Montana, QB - San Francisco (Associated Press)
Jerry Rice, WR - San Francisco ("The Sporting News")

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Terrell Davis, RB - Denver (Pro Football Writers Association of America, Associated Press, "The Sporting News")
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i wouldn't try to compare leak with young at all. leak is a way better thrower but young is a way better runner. leak isn't a run first player and is always looking to throw the ball down the field when he is scrambling. leak's throw motion is amazing, every single one of his throws is a perfect spiral. right now if i was an nfl gm i would take leak before young. once again i will say that young is one of the best college qbs but isn't ready to be in the nfl.

also randall hasn't won 3 mvps, it was 2. i can see we looked at different lists.
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