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Old 03-10-2009   #1
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A lot of the pro day numbers that are comming in seem to reinforce the view that the track at the combine was slower than the old Super Dome.

Michael Johnson combine 4.75
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Johnson measured in at 6-foot-6 7/8 and 266 pounds, and he had 40-yard dash times of 4.61 and 4.64 seconds.
Sean Smith Combine 4.53
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Smith measured in at 6-foot-3 1/2 and 209 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.47 and 4.49 seconds. He had a 32-inch vertical with a 9-foot-5 broad jump. He participated in position drills but did not do any shuttle drills save for the 60-yard shuttle.
Paul Kruger Combine 4.86
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Kruger, at 6-4 1/2 and 260 pounds, ran 40 times of 4.80 and 4.79. He had a 32-inch vertical leap, 9-1 broad jump and did 22 repetitions of 225 pounds. He did not participate in shuttle drills.
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One player who performed really well was S William Moore. He looked good in his positional drills and was impressive overall. He measured in at 6-foot and a 1/2-inch, 221 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.51 and 4.49 seconds and the three-cone drill in 6.94 seconds. He also posted a 10-foot, 6-inch broad jump.
Rashad Jennings Combine 4.60
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Another player benefitting from positional coaches coming to watch him work out was Liberty’s Rashad Jennings, who also opened eyes at the combine. He worked out Tuesday in front of six teams, including the Panthers and their RB coach Jim Skipper. He worked out on an indoor track. He weighed 231 pounds, ran a 4.52 in the 40 and a 6.79 in the three-cone drill.
The Sooners have their Pro Day today(March 10).
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http://www.gbnreport.com/prodayschedule.html

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http://blog.dispatch.com/buckeyesblo...y_update.shtml

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Beanie Wells apparently was the most impressive of the big-name guys. He said he ran in the 4.34 to 4.40 range in the 40, which is significantly better than his 4.59 at the combine. Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz singled Beanie out as looking fast, and coaches don't generally talk about specific players, so that means something.

-- Everyone's times went down. Surprise, surprise. James Laurinaitis said the track at Lucas Oil Stadium at Indianapolis felt "soft" and slow. Most players ran on FieldTurf here, just so scouts could directly compare their times to the Indy FieldTurf times.

-- That said, Laurinaitis said he ran a 4.68 and a 4.72, better than his 4.80 at Indy.

-- Malcolm Jenkins reported 4.48 to 4.51, better than the 4.55 at Indy.
Other sources put Wells 2 40 times at 4.39, and 4.38. Interesting that this was on field turf, and not a rubber track as some sources had suggested. Jenkins sub 4.5 should be enough to dispel most of the FS talk about him. Laurinaitis may have stopped his free fall out of day 1 with his adequate time.
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times are relative to the conditions, its like US Open conditions compared to a regular tour event scores go higher, hence the same with times. the important thing is how they relate to each other under the same conditions. I you just take the combine numbers @ Lucas adjust for the slow track & take off one tenth of a sec. its gonna be more in line with peoples expectations. Deion Sanders knew immediately something was wrong with the times because he had worked with the corners & knew they had some 4.3 runners yet nobody could crack 4.4
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Umm.. so does this mean we're going to have a few receivers run 4.2 lows? Heyward-Bey really ran a 4.30 on a slow surface?
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Umm.. so does this mean we're going to have a few receivers run 4.2 lows? Heyward-Bey really ran a 4.30 on a slow surface?
In general most people run better at their pro day. Probably because coaches can set things up the way the player wants (wind, etc.). Rarely does someone shart the bed at a pro day.
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Umm.. so does this mean we're going to have a few receivers run 4.2 lows? Heyward-Bey really ran a 4.30 on a slow surface?
Deon reportedly ran a 4.19 don't see why thats not in the realm of human possiblity?
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Deon reportedly ran a 4.19 don't see why thats not in the realm of human possiblity?
I know it's not impossible, but if the track really was slow at the combine that means that we could have had 4 receivers run 4.2 40's. When is the last time something like that happened?
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Unless I am mistaken, these players will be running on grass when playing in NFL games. Grass is softer than the track at the combine, so the combine track is probably a better proxy for an NFL field than the tracks that the universities are prepping for their pro days.

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Maybin runs 4.58 40 at Penn Pro day.

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Unless I am mistaken, these players will be running on grass when playing in NFL games. Grass is softer than the track at the combine, so the combine track is probably a better proxy for an NFL field than the tracks that the universities are prepping for their pro days.

Just saying.
There are many different kinds of grass, hard/soft fieldturf, and astroturf used in the NFL. The length of the grass can also make a huge difference within the same kind of grass. Some are faster than Indies fieldturf, while some are slower.

The reason it's important to note a slow track at the new home of the combine vs the old home is so you can accurately compare this years prospects to last years. Once you adjust for the difference this is no longer a really slow class as some draftniks had initially freaked out over.
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Carl Landry this week ran several blocks at 2.0 speed with a bullet in his leg. It just takes incentative.
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UCONN had it's pro day today

Donald Brown: 17 Reps

Darius Butler: ran a 4.38 40-yard dash

Will Beatty: 30 reps

Cody Brown: 36 inch vertical

Those are the main guys and then here are a couple of other guys who could get drafted in the later rounds:

DE Julius Williams: 41 inch vertical, 36 Reps
S Dahna Delston: 20 reps, 36 inch vertical, 4.45 vertical
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Who is this Julius Williams and what is his deal?
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UCONN had it's pro day today

Donald Brown: 17 Reps

Darius Butler: ran a 4.38 40-yard dash

Will Beatty: 30 reps

Cody Brown: 36 inch vertical

Those are the main guys and then here are a couple of other guys who could get drafted in the later rounds:

DE Julius Williams: 41 inch vertical, 36 Reps
S Dahna Delston: 20 reps, 36 inch vertical, 4.45 vertical
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Who is this Julius Williams and what is his deal?
He was the starting end opposite Cody Brown for UCONN. Definitely played in Brown's shadow but was very good as a pass rusher and was good against the run (though his body seems more fit as a 3-4 OLB). 6 sacks and 41 tackles his senior season and missed the combine by one vote. He seemed to be a late 5th-6th round pick but I don't think anyone expected a workout like that from him so I don't know where his stock is now.
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Umm.. so does this mean we're going to have a few receivers run 4.2 lows? Heyward-Bey really ran a 4.30 on a slow surface?
FWIW, on 1560 they were talking to someone on the ground at the combine - I think it was Michael Lombardi or Alonzo Highsmith or someone - who said that since the field was so new it was pretty inconsistent, and you would have one player run on a good surface to have the next run on a torn up/crappy surface.

I don't know if those inconsistencies affected groups (by position) or if it was inconsistent from one player to the next.

But, that might be something to consider when viewing these times.
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Just keep it in perspective. The guy could have arms down to his feet. If they measure the player's vertical jump from his height to the apex, like most folks/entities do, then they are not taking into consideration arm length.

But yeah, dayumm on those two measurements, because if he has long arms and can throw up 36 reps then he is a workout warrior.
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Other sources put Wells 2 40 times at 4.39, and 4.38. Interesting that this was on field turf, and not a rubber track as some sources had suggested. Jenkins sub 4.5 should be enough to dispel most of the FS talk about him. Laurinaitis may have stopped his free fall out of day 1 with his adequate time.
The surface at OSU is notoriously fast. Remember Maurice Clarett ran fast there after burning a 4.8/4.9 at the combine. Not saying these guys numbers are flawed in any way, just pointing it out.
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