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Old 03-02-2009   #1
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With the pickup of Smith and addressing our hole at backup QB, there has been a ton of talk about getting Cushing or going LB with our first round pick.

Is the consensus opinion that our most pressing need is at LB or in our Secondary. We've had more injuries than you can shake a stick at in our secondary and are certainly not what I would consider stellar there.

We put the franchise tag on Dunta to see if he can come back fully from his injury. We've got burnt toast Reeves with Bennett & Faggins as backups. Ferguson & Wilson were the safeties last year.

If Dunta comes back as Dunta next year, we've got a rock on that side, but are fairly mediocre everywhere else. If Dunta doesn't make it all the way back, then we are pretty mediocre all over the secondary.

Why would we go LB when it seems like our secondary is the most pressing need on the team? I know the CB crop this year seems to be light on quality, but the S crop is as deep as it has been in years.

I'm just curious to hear the arguments for taking a LB over strengthening our secondary, especially in light of the fact that many NFL teams are playing a nickel for the majority of their downs now anyway.

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I think if Mike Jenkins goes on the slide as he didn't run the 40 really good at the combine he might slip to us on draft day and I would love him in our secondary opposite Dunta.
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Because the value at pick #15 is looking like it's going to be at Linebacker.
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I think if Mike Jenkins goes on the slide as he didn't run the 40 really good at the combine he might slip to us on draft day and I would love him in our secondary opposite Dunta.
Malcolm Jenkins- I like this CB a lot. If our guys think he fits with what this defense is trying to do, I would be thrilled with the selection.

Another guy that may sneak up into the top 20 is Alphonso Smith. The only thing keeping him down is his size. Then again Dunta isn't that big and he went 10 overall.
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talk in Sportingnews.com saying that Cromartie could be on the block if they resign Florence. I would love to pick up Cromartie instead of drafting a CB

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/rea...rejoins_bolts?
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talk in Sportingnews.com saying that Cromartie could be on the block if they resign Florence. I would love to pick up Cromartie instead of drafting a CB

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/rea...rejoins_bolts?
If we lose Dunta I would not mind trading our first rounder for Cromartie. I doubt just one first rounder would get him though. It would probably take a first and a third.
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How about trading back & picking up D.J. Moore?
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How about trading back & picking up D.J. Moore?
I wouldn't complain.
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I would rather trade back in to get Sean Smith then Moore and don't get me wrong I think Moore would be a great addition to the team.
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Put me down for a trade back and draft Darius Butler or Macho Harris. Im actually praying one of them will be available in the second round.
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Default Re: Adressing The Secondary -- Draft

Unfortunately I don't think Butler will be there at our pick in the second. His stock went up with his combine performance and he's probably going to run a low 4.3 40 at UCONN's pro day. I would love to have him there though.
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Because the value at pick #15 is looking like it's going to be at Linebacker.
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i honestly don't think CB is a huge need on this team right now. Dunta's franchised and Reeves played pretty well down the stretch. not to mention a 3rd and 4th have been in the last two drafts on the position. Safety on the other hand needs one immediate upgrade as does the NT position. if we trade back in the first i'd look for Sean Smith, Louis Delmas, or Ron Brace if it were later in the round (like 26th or later).

i have a question to go on top of this. i remember hearing that Smith's D used Safetys more like a left and right safety rather than SS and FS like we see a lot of times. does anybody know if Bush is going to keep it this way?
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With the pickup of Smith and addressing our hole at backup QB, there has been a ton of talk about getting Cushing or going LB with our first round pick.

Is the consensus opinion that our most pressing need is at LB or in our Secondary. We've had more injuries than you can shake a stick at in our secondary and are certainly not what I would consider stellar there.

If Dunta comes back as Dunta next year, we've got a rock on that side, but are fairly mediocre everywhere else. If Dunta doesn't make it all the way back, then we are pretty mediocre all over the secondary.

Why would we go LB when it seems like our secondary is the most pressing need on the team? I know the CB crop this year seems to be light on quality, but the S crop is as deep as it has been in years.
I'm just curious to hear the arguments for taking a LB over strengthening our secondary, especially in light of the fact that many NFL teams are playing a nickel for the majority of their downs now anyway.

Go Texans

Because, when you put the 2008 DVDs in with Adibi and Dilles both next to Demeeco....the defense actually got some stops...and overall they improved ?
See the Oakland game. That game...Dilles was gone.

Why would they gamble on that ? Why wouldn't they shore that up ? Do that later with two picks or bang it early and find a guy who can cover them both with the first round pick. Also....when you stunt the DTs....it creates natural holes in the defense...and if they miss with their penitration....you better have the LBs who can scrape through the trash and fill in. And they better be able to run. I love our back ups and their cap....neither is a speed merchant. Our two starters , you got one guy who couldn't get on the Field for the first eight games...And you got the other guy coming off the broke leg. My team I back that up with the best guy I can lay my hands on.

I mean do you really want one of the current back ups starting for you the first few games ? Especially after the start the Texans had in '08 ?

Another thing I've thought of....just how do we know we're going with different style FS ? So far they've taken big corners and big Safeties. Their profile so far has been to wait until the second day and develope them. I mean is there a quote from Bush or Kubiak stating we're changing that ? Might change this draft. Not a great class of DBs. It is a great class of linebackers.
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Darius Butler was interviewed on Sirius NFL Radio and he mentioned the Texans and a couple other teams having alot of interest in him.
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We could always go after Jim Leonhard since he has yet to sign with anyone and again could save a draft pick.
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We could always go after Jim Leonhard since he has yet to sign with anyone and again could save a draft pick.
it would be an option definitely but i'd be a little cautious just because the guy was part of the number one defense in the league. i know that this might add to his value but the way i look at it he had Terrel Suggs, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Jarrett JohnsonChris McCalister, and Sameri Rolle on the same side of the ball.

he stuck out on a couple of plays to me during the playoffs but i'd be antsy about signing him to a long term deal.
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I doubt we go after Leonhard. I know the Eagles are pushing hard for him. I would be surprised if he didn't sign with the Eagles.

Hopefully we can retain CC Brown because if not safety becomes an even bigger need when it is already a major need.
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Darius Butler was interviewed on Sirius NFL Radio and he mentioned the Texans and a couple other teams having alot of interest in him.
Butler looks like he can play some CB @ the next level. a little leaner more explosive than Mike Jenkins last year from South Florida drafted by the Cowboys right in front of the Texans #25 (makes me wonder if the Texans would have selected him instead of Duane Brown?). I could see a similar trade down scenero then going Butler.
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I don't think we're as hurt at CB but safety should be something we address. Unless a top tier guy like Jenkins falls into our laps I'd be disapointed if we reached for a CB in the first unless we have no intention of resigning Dunta next year.

If we are intending to resign him then the Molden pick seems like a waste. I remember a lot of people on the board saying guy has first round measureables but small school experience. I hope they are true on that.

First round LB is best value for the team.
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