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Old 01-17-2005   #21
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you forgot Casey Hampton for the Steelers. he was a first rounder. he is on IR for them.
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Old 01-17-2005   #22
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thats not all his selective memory is forgetting

what about that pair down in Jacksonville, Henderson 9th overall (2002) & Stroud 13th (2001)???? or New England Richard Seymore 6th pick in 2001 or am I the only one who noticed the development & much improved play of Jets DT Dewayne Robertson taken 4th overall in 2003???? We could both throw numbers on both sides of the equation to stress our points, however if you look at this years draft it should be obvious even to the casual observer there are both LB's & DE's that convert to the NFL as OLB's, here are just a few- Derrick Johnson LB, David Pollack DE, Thomas Davis S, Dan Cody DE, Matt Roth DE, Barrett Ruud, Kevin Burnett LB & Justin Tuck all 1st round possibilites. Compare those numbers to the quality DT's available, Anttaj Hawthorne & Shaun Cody.

hence your opinion that its much harder to find OLB's in a 3-4 is
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Nobody questions that you "can" draft a nose tackle early, but as you obviously cannot see, most teams who play with a man the over the center have rosters filled with later picks and free agents. Why? Because they are not that scarce. Also, I'm talking about a-gap nose tackles. Not defensive tackles in general.

As to your list of players....not all of those guys you list can play outside linebacker in a 3-4. Even Derrick Johnson would be an inside linebacker for us, not outside. Our outside guys are all going to have to be around 250 pounds to take on more direct blocking in run support.
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thats not all his selective memory is forgetting

what about that pair down in Jacksonville, Henderson 9th overall (2002) & Stroud 13th (2001)???? or New England Richard Seymore 6th pick in 2001 or am I the only one who noticed the development & much improved play of Jets DT Dewayne Robertson taken 4th overall in 2003???? We could both throw numbers on both sides of the equation to stress our points, however if you look at this years draft it should be obvious even to the casual observer there are both LB's & DE's that convert to the NFL as OLB's, here are just a few- Derrick Johnson LB, David Pollack DE, Thomas Davis S, Dan Cody DE, Matt Roth DE, Barrett Ruud, Kevin Burnett LB & Justin Tuck all 1st round possibilites. Compare those numbers to the quality DT's available, Anttaj Hawthorne & Shaun Cody.

hence your opinion that its much harder to find OLB's in a 3-4 is
Henderson, Stroud, and Robertson play DT in 4-3 defenses.
Seymore plays DE in the 3-4 and DT in their 4-3 schemes.
All the guys you list would be questionable OLB's in a 3-4. Pollack is an intriguing possibility, but who knows if he can drop back in pass coverage?
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Stroud, Henderson & Roberston easily translate into 3-4 down lineman. All of those mentioned for OLB are no more questionable than Jason Babin was coming out of a small school (Western Michigan) at 6'-2" 260 lbs with no linebacking experience. And I'll mention another OLB for good measure Shawne Merriman http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...emerriman.html
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We need a guy like Casey Hampton or Jamal Williams. At least 320 but smart with power. Those are the ones that are hard to find. Show me someone in this draft that is that guy and is he in the 1st round?
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the reason i brought this question up was to see the logical debate...glad to see with all the youngsters on this forum now there is still a lot of logical debater's that know what they're talking about...here's my two cents...the reason wilfork isn't starting is because new england has keith traylor and ty warren who are solid NT's in the game...the reason i think wilfork would have been a better pick for us than babin is simply with the injury to payne last year and now this year it looks like we'll need a new NT whether that's moving robaire over or drafting a new one...payne i'm sorry i don't see regaining his true form...he's around 30 or so and that's when d-lineman injuries start to stack up...nothing against babin but i thought at the time karlos dansby was the better 3-4 olb...time will prove me wrong hopefully...but as of now it's time to look at our current draft...hawthorne is dominate force in the middle and i think we might want to look at him...or drafting shaun cody and moving smith to the middle
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protecting David Carr is the #1 Need. The #2 Need is to establish a more effective ground game which compliments the #1 Need. The #3 Need is a better pass rush from the front 3.

two years ago Wilfork was a top 10 pick then he returned to school for his senior season, lost a lot of money but now is on the pathway to a Superbowl ring. i really expected the Texans to draft Wilfork @ 10, i'm happy they didn't and drafted Dunta Robinson instead, at the time OLB was a bigger need than DT, hence the trade up for Babin.
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I agree that the o-line is the most important peice of a team. It protects the QB. Makes lanes for the RB, and basically determines how well the offense will perform.

But I dont see any spot on the o-line that brining in a rookie would solve. Maybe depth. But thats about all.

then you move on to the D-line. We have an injured NT, and not much quality depth behind him. Also, this is an area that I think a rookie would not be of any use.

I think the most logical choice would be a FA D-lineman, like Smith last year (Corey Simon is an idea) ,and maybe another FA O-lineman, like Joe Andruzzi. (who should be a FA)

In the draft I think we should go either S,CB,WR,TE,LB.

Some picks I would like.

Round 1. Derrick Johnson
Round 1. Adam (PM) Jones
Round 1. Thomas Davis

Round 2. Brandon Browner
Round 2. Kevin Burnett
Round 2. Ernest Shazor

Round 3. Oshiomogho Atogwe
Round 3. Terrence Murphy
Round 3. Alex Smith
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