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Old 02-11-2009   #1
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Let me start this off by saying I'm not a draft guy. And this is all pretty much wishful thinking but...

My off season dream would be:

First I'd franchise Dunta and see if he'll play on a one year deal to prove my investment in his future to be worth it. I tell him if he plays well I will reward him handsomely.

-On draft day trade back a few spots to like 18-20 and pick up an extra 3rd. I'd then trade that first rounder for Julius Peppers.....If we couldn't get Peppers then I'd settle for Everette Brown out of Florida State.



-With my second round pick I'd take a safety. (Patrick Chung or Sean Smith)

-My third round picks Would be Rashad Jennings and Clay Mathews

-My fourth round pick would be a DT. (Chris Baker or Dorell Scott)

-Fifth round I'd take another RB/FB type player (Herb Donaldson;Western Illinois)

-Sixth...CB (Cary Harris, USC)

-Seventh...QB (Brian Johnson, Utah)

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on FA's this year...I'd try to get Peppers and sign him to a nice contract, then I'd hold onto the rest of that money to wheel and deal next off-season when we need to make a decision on D-rob and possibly re-new the contracts of some of the young contributors to the team.
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Im moving more and more into the FA DE camp. Rookie defensive ends take too many years to develop into dominant pass rushers, so I'd gladly trade away a 1st rounder for a guy like Peppers. I don't want to wait 2 years for a serious playoff push. I want to content next year

LBs and DBs seem to be able to contribute much quicker
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Let me start this off by saying I'm not a draft guy. And this is all pretty much wishful thinking but...

My off season dream would be:

First I'd franchise Dunta and see if he'll play on a one year deal to prove my investment in his future to be worth it. I tell him if he plays well I will reward him handsomely.

-On draft day trade back a few spots to like 18-20 and pick up an extra 3rd. I'd then trade that first rounder for Julius Peppers.....If we couldn't get Peppers then I'd settle for Everette Brown out of Florida State.



-With my second round pick I'd take a safety. (Patrick Chung or Sean Smith)

-My third round picks Would be Rashad Jennings and Clay Mathews

-My fourth round pick would be a DT. (Chris Baker or Dorell Scott)

-Fifth round I'd take another RB/FB type player (Herb Donaldson;Western Illinois)

-Sixth...CB (Cary Harris, USC)

-Seventh...QB (Brian Johnson, Utah)

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on FA's this year...I'd try to get Peppers and sign him to a nice contract, then I'd hold onto the rest of that money to wheel and deal next off-season when we need to make a decision on D-rob and possibly re-new the contracts of some of the young contributors to the team.
I'm glad your not our GM.
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I'm glad your not our GM.
Easy dude! Did you not read his first couple lines? A little harsh, No?

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Let me start this off by saying I'm not a draft guy. And this is all pretty much wishful thinking but...

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Let me start this off by saying I'm not a draft guy. And this is all pretty much wishful thinking but...

My off season dream would be:

First I'd franchise Dunta and see if he'll play on a one year deal to prove my investment in his future to be worth it. I tell him if he plays well I will reward him handsomely.

-On draft day trade back a few spots to like 18-20 and pick up an extra 3rd. I'd then trade that first rounder for Julius Peppers.....If we couldn't get Peppers then I'd settle for Everette Brown out of Florida State.



-With my second round pick I'd take a safety. (Patrick Chung or Sean Smith)

-My third round picks Would be Rashad Jennings and Clay Mathews

-My fourth round pick would be a DT. (Chris Baker or Dorell Scott)

-Fifth round I'd take another RB/FB type player (Herb Donaldson;Western Illinois)

-Sixth...CB (Cary Harris, USC)

-Seventh...QB (Brian Johnson, Utah)

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on FA's this year...I'd try to get Peppers and sign him to a nice contract, then I'd hold onto the rest of that money to wheel and deal next off-season when we need to make a decision on D-rob and possibly re-new the contracts of some of the young contributors to the team.
I don't think the team would draft 2 safetys (although if they did I'd be happy with any of those you named). Clay Matthews will not make the 3rd round.

I don't mind franchising Dunta, and I don't hink the team could afford both D-Rob and Peppers (add to that I don't hink Peppers would help the Panthers by doing a sign and trade, the man wants his money from being a FA).
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Let me start this off by saying I'm not a draft guy. And this is all pretty much wishful thinking but...

My off season dream would be:

First I'd franchise Dunta and see if he'll play on a one year deal to prove my investment in his future to be worth it. I tell him if he plays well I will reward him handsomely.

-On draft day trade back a few spots to like 18-20 and pick up an extra 3rd. I'd then trade that first rounder for Julius Peppers.....If we couldn't get Peppers then I'd settle for Everette Brown out of Florida State.



-With my second round pick I'd take a safety. (Patrick Chung or Sean Smith)

-My third round picks Would be Rashad Jennings and Clay Mathews

-My fourth round pick would be a DT. (Chris Baker or Dorell Scott)

-Fifth round I'd take another RB/FB type player (Herb Donaldson;Western Illinois)

-Sixth...CB (Cary Harris, USC)

-Seventh...QB (Brian Johnson, Utah)

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on FA's this year...I'd try to get Peppers and sign him to a nice contract, then I'd hold onto the rest of that money to wheel and deal next off-season when we need to make a decision on D-rob and possibly re-new the contracts of some of the young contributors to the team.
I don't think we would need to use a first for Peppers, he's a free agent, and I don't think he has been franchised has he?
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Let me start this off by saying I'm not a draft guy. And this is all pretty much wishful thinking but...

My off season dream would be:

First I'd franchise Dunta and see if he'll play on a one year deal to prove my investment in his future to be worth it. I tell him if he plays well I will reward him handsomely.

-On draft day trade back a few spots to like 18-20 and pick up an extra 3rd. I'd then trade that first rounder for Julius Peppers.....If we couldn't get Peppers then I'd settle for Everette Brown out of Florida State.



-With my second round pick I'd take a safety. (Patrick Chung or Sean Smith)

-My third round picks Would be Rashad Jennings and Clay Mathews

-My fourth round pick would be a DT. (Chris Baker or Dorell Scott)

-Fifth round I'd take another RB/FB type player (Herb Donaldson;Western Illinois)

-Sixth...CB (Cary Harris, USC)

-Seventh...QB (Brian Johnson, Utah)

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on FA's this year...I'd try to get Peppers and sign him to a nice contract, then I'd hold onto the rest of that money to wheel and deal next off-season when we need to make a decision on D-rob and possibly re-new the contracts of some of the young contributors to the team.

WAKE UP, WAKE UP.....your dreaming.

Duntas not worth the franchise tag.
Peppers doesn't need to be traded for, he can just be signed.
Everette Brown will be gone by the 18-20th pick.
Chung's a SS and Smith will probably be a FS/CB.
Third round on down, not bad.
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WAKE UP, WAKE UP.....your dreaming.

Duntas not worth the franchise tag.
Peppers doesn't need to be traded for, he can just be signed.
Everette Brown will be gone by the 18-20th pick.
Aah, the unholy certainty of the off-season. I'm not in favor of it, but the Texans may very well franchise Dunta. Peppers hasn't been tagged yet but odds are he will be--Carolina would be foolish to just let him walk. We'll just have to wait and see about Brown.
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WAKE UP, WAKE UP.....your dreaming.

Duntas not worth the franchise tag.
Peppers doesn't need to be traded for, he can just be signed.
Everette Brown will be gone by the 18-20th pick.
Chung's a SS and Smith will probably be a FS/CB.
Third round on down, not bad.
Now that we've saved some money on cutting Green and Greenwood, I can really see the Texans franchising Dunta. As for Peppers, I have a feeling he'll get the tag, so trading for him IS a viable option.

As for the safety, I personally think we could use an upgrade at SS AND FS, so neither of those players are a problem for me.
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Aah, the unholy certainty of the off-season. I'm not in favor of it, but the Texans may very well franchise Dunta. Peppers hasn't been tagged yet but odds are he will be--Carolina would be foolish to just let him walk. We'll just have to wait and see about Brown.
Tagging Peppers will cost the Panthers 17 Million (for 1 year), I just don't see them paying him that much.
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Tagging Peppers will cost the Panthers 17 Million (for 1 year), I just don't see them paying him that much.
They wouldn't have to if they intended on trading him.
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They wouldn't have to if they intended on trading him.
Either the Panthers will tag him or wh will sign with another team. Why would he sign with the Panthers for anything less then what he could get if they tagged him? Carolina cannot trade him unless they sign him first.
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They wouldn't have to if they intended on trading him.
If they franchised him he would most likely be untradable for that kind of salary. I would love to have Peppers and I like Polo's idea of trading for him, but now way would it be after they franchised him and he'd be getting paid like 17 Mill. That would be way to much money.
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How I see it is that the Panthers franchise him just so they could get some kind of compensation for him. Either they would be Franchising him so they could be the sole team able to offer him a contract, or they would Franchise him so they could trade him...I doubt that they just let him walk...I defintely look for him to be Franchised at some point whether he likes it or not.

After he was hypothetically traded, the team getting him would more than likely give him a new contract. That'd be part of the whole deal.

That's why he would have to approve of the team he was being traded to.
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If they franchised him he would most likely be untradable for that kind of salary. I would love to have Peppers and I like Polo's idea of trading for him, but now way would it be after they franchised him and he'd be getting paid like 17 Mill. That would be way to much money.
Even if he agreed to sign a new deal once he got traded, what team would give up draft picks and all of that cap room for a single player?

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After he was traded, the team getting him would more than likely give him a new contract.

That's why he more than likely would have to approve of the team he was being traded to.
So you're going to pay him top 5 DE money (which he will get in any contract he signs) and give up atleast a 1 early round draft pick?
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After he was traded, the team getting him would more than likely give him a new contract.

That's why he would have to approve of the team he was being traded to.
I like the idea. With drafting a new guy you never know who could be a bust like Travis Johnson. At least with Peppers you know that you're getting a stud at DE. Some people think that Peppers will tank it somewhat if he gets a huge deal, but I don't think he would if he were to play on the other side of Mario. I think that would motivate the hell out of him to make himself and Mario the best DE tandem ever.

I doubt that your little dream will ever happen though. The Texans just aren't that aggressive. It would be nice though.
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Even if he agreed to sign a new deal once he got traded, what team would give up draft picks and all of that cap room for a single player?
A team in need of a DE that just freed up a bunch of cap space.



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Ummm...Yeah...

I'd rather pay Peppers than any DE we could get in the first round.
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A team in need of a DE that just freed up a bunch of cap space.





Ummm...Yeah...

I'd rather pay Peppers than any DE we could get in the first round.
That be move worthy of Jerry Jones.

I don't think we have the cap space to tag Dunta and sign Peppers.
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Even if he agreed to sign a new deal once he got traded, what team would give up draft picks and all of that cap room for a single player?
Not sure why folks assume it has to be multiple high picks or heck even a high pick. From the Panthers' perspective anything is better than nothing. And what is "all of that cap room?"--he will sign a market value contract somewhere. Is he not one of the better DE's around?--then he will get paid like one. That will still be considerably less than the $17 mil tag. I don't particularly want the Texans to be the team to do it, but someone will try to get him. The $17 mil tag price may drive down how hard the Panthers negotiate.
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Not sure why folks assume it has to be multiple high picks or heck even a high pick. From the Panthers' perspective anything is better than nothing. And what is "all of that cap room?"--he will sign a market value contract somewhere. Is he not one of the better DE's around?--then he will get paid like one. That will still be considerably less than the $17 mil tag. I don't particularly want the Texans to be the team to do it, but someone will try to get him. The $17 mil tag price may drive down how hard the Panthers negotiate.
I don't know, one of the few trades involving a tagged player got the Seahawks 2 1st round pciks for Joey Galloway.

I agree that he'll get paid like a top 5 defensive player, but I wouldn't sacrifice the cap space and whatever it'll take to free him from the Panthers.

If he gets tagged, he could easily refuse all trades and get paid the 17 million and be a free agent the next year. That's a hell of a lot of money for any football player to make in a year.
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