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Old 01-12-2005   #21
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I think Peek has proven to be an NFL caliber pass rusher. I know he's young and probably lacks in other areas, but I just wanted to point that out.
Peek still has 3 career sacks in 2 years and gets into a fight after every play. I'm not as sure he is as proven as some do here.
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Since he's the only Texans pass rusher who consistently draws double teams, I'd say he's arrived as a pass rusher. He hasn't arrived as a complete linebacker. And yes he's a knucklehead at times. Sack numbers aren't the be all end all for me. He's disruptive and causes the opponent to adjust to him. If you like numbers, Peek would probably have plenty of sacks if he was a full time OLB, but at this point there would probably be some level of sacrifice in run support or short pass defense. Hopefully he improves in those areas because he is an impact player who tends to fire up those around him.
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Yeah, hard to argue the fact that he would be more productive if he saw the field more. I just saw someone bring up the fact that he was a rfa next year and the fact that he didn't have many sacks despite the fact that is all he does when he hits the field. I guess I sounded down on him but I just wish I knew what the coaches opinions were on him other than the fact that it was puzzling to most of us why he didn't see the field more.
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Many, many of the people who produce these mocks don't have the first
clue what the Texans are doing with their personnel. For example, the
past year we've had a huge shake-up in our defensive backfield by
drafting Dunta to play CB and moving M.Coleman to FS and giving him a
new contract. Then of course we've got a rookie playing strong safety
who looks like someone who will develope and be there for us in the future. Anyone who is only casually acquainted with the Texans D knows this. In spite of all of this, I see mocks having us take a safety with our first pick.
First off, many people have reservations about using as high a pick as the 13th on a safety, even someone as highly regarded of as a S.Taylor. But I think most who would know our situation at all would agree that we need to assign a much > priority to our LB & DL components of our D than the D backfield for this years draft.
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I don't think we need another converted DE to play OLB. I'm not even sure if we could play the position effectively like we want him to. I will say this though, he may be the most underated top prospect in this draft. I have seen mocks where this guy drops to 28...........No way he drops out of the Top 10. He will be one hellofa DE in the NFL, a guy who brings fire to a defense and who is a playmaker. Just not what we want.
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I don't think we need another converted DE to play OLB. I'm not even sure if we could play the position effectively like we want him to.
All 3-4 OLB's are converted DE's.
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Cody will not be the pick of the Houston Texans. Who exactly would you bench at that point? Babin? the surest tackler we have? Peek? Heck, he's not even starting yet. Wong? possibly, but then where does Peek start?
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Peek is good at what he does, but I am afraid that if he played every down that he would lose some of his lethality from a combination of not so fresh legs and too much game film for the other team to gameplan against him.
As it stands now, opposing coaches must have to surmise that he just cannot be stopped. If you watch any NFL channel than surely you have noticed that we get a willie mcginest breakdown about once a week. Well for my money, Peek is much deadlier that w-mac.

besides DJ#11, Ronnie Brown, and Heath Miller, who could we draft at 13 that would come in and start from day one? (Grigsby doesn't count)

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I just can't see us taking Dan Cody...several draft services have touted him as a candidate for 3-4 OLB but I don't see us taking a shot at him quite yet. I think if we had some other pieces on the defensive side of the ball in place we might take a shot at him but not right now.

The fact is that while Cody is a very good prospect he just doesn't scream "can't miss, future pro-bowl guy". We aren't hurting enough at OLB to snag him in the 1st round...if he is by some chance open in the 2nd then maybe but I think it's a moot point since he probably will be gone in the late 1st round.
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You horn fans need to get over the fact that Cody is a sooner... what cody posesses is the havoc-inducing non-stop pass-rushing motor that we see in Peek and have yet to see in babin.

Though 13th is a bit high, id love to see dan cody in texan blue.
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thank you mr vanderpool
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You horn fans need to get over the fact that Cody is a sooner... what cody posesses is the havoc-inducing non-stop pass-rushing motor that we see in Peek and have yet to see in babin.

Though 13th is a bit high, id love to see dan cody in texan blue.
I have no problem drafting a sooner. Of course im pretty sure you arent talking about me.

But like you said #13 is a big time stretch for Dan. IMO he is worth a #18 selection. For a DE-OLB tweener.
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I try not to get too caught up in measuring a prospect in terms a 13th vs 18th, and try to focus more on is this guy a first or second round value for the Texans (or third round vs. day II, usually)
survey sez: Dan Cody's worth a first
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I'm a horn fan, and I could care less if Cody is a senior at this point. In fact, I thought he'd be a top 10 pick after the OU game, I was excited knowing another big 12 guy would be in the 1st round.

The fact is, Cody is not worth another 1st round pick at this point. If your top 12 options are gone, and he's your 13th, then you take him. Otherwise, let him be.

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I don't think we need another converted DE to play OLB. I'm not even sure if we could play the position effectively like we want him to.
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The 49ers would have been a lock of Matt Leinhart. He was the only clearcut #1, and the only QB worth the #1 pick. With Leinhart gone, its hard to say what the 49ers are going to do. It depends who the GM is going to be. I think they trade down with the Chargers.

The Chargers will get the #1 pick in exchange for both of their 1st round picks. The Chargers will then take Dan Cody at #1 and move him to OLB in their 3-4 defense. He will be a complimant to Donnie Edwards and a prominant pass rusher OPPOSITE of Foley who had a great year.
See where I'm going with this?
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That was two different messages meaning different things. When I say he can't play the position effectively for us, I mean that we have Babin at one end, and Cody at the other. In Capers scheme one or both at a time will drop back in pass coverage from time to time. Do you want to see both Cody and Babin in pass coverage?

I think he would be a great pick for the Chargers. Okay, maybe not at #1, or maybe not in the top 5, or maybe not in the top 10, but anways I think he will be a great pick for THEM and not us. A great pick for you is determined by what you already have around you and how he will fit in with your team. Cody matches in for the Chargers. Cody, in my opinion, doesn't match for us.
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Ok...let me retread my comments from my early post on this thread. I think Dan Cody is a very good college player and I happen to think he has the skills to be a pretty good 3-4 OLB in the NFL, actually reminds me of Babin to be honest.
Now that that's out of the way I can't see us grabbing him in the 1st round with other posiitons in much more serious need of shoring up. If he falls to 2nd round, which it would take a bona fide miracle for that to happen, then we take a serious look at him.
I happen to think that we have enough options for OLB on the roster right now that we can easily afford to look after other positions.

...and by the way, GIG "EM Aggies! Just because I'm not a Sooner fan doesn't mean I can't appreciate good football.
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Noooooo AJ it was Dan Cody going to the Texans on two Mock Drafts I read this morning. Yeah Shaun Cody (USC) makes more sense but Dan Cody(OU) just wouldn't fit in our 3-4 scheme...maybe as a OLB but we great talent there already. Maybe the site made a typo and meant Shaun Cody, I dunno but no way we take Dan Cody!
I agree with most of this statement. We didn't get the sack totals of a "loaded with team tallent" at linebacker team. I think Babin proved last year he can play the run. But
Last year if I remember correctly they envoked the Kevin Green label on him. Maybe I just need a six pack of patience but I didn't see anything near KG. Peek I'm not too worried about....yet. It took the titan's Keith Bullock a couple of seasons be for he "got it". I agree though that Dan Cody is a bit small for a 3-4. But....if they go to a 4-3 scheeme you never know. Pittsburg took an undersized gut named Smith a couple of years ago and he's turned
out to be prettty good. Don't mean to be a bomb thrower just thinking.
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Last year if I remember correctly they envoked the Kevin Green label on him. Maybe I just need a six pack of patience but I didn't see anything near KG.
I bet you didn't know that Kevin Greene's first three years in the NFL he had a grand total of 13.5 sacks...TOTAL. In his FOURTH season he led his team in sacks (for the first time) with 16.5, I repeat, his 4th season.

I keep posting this (below) but nobody wants to digest it. Everyone wants to define linebackers by sack totals alone. Letís look at guys playing LOLB in a few other 3-4 defenses. Earlier in the year I said his game looks like Vrabel's does. Statistically they ended up very close.

Steelers Clark Haggans had 37 tackles and 6 sacks
Patriots Mike Vrabel 71 tackles and 5.5 sacks
Chargers Ben Leber 60 total tackles and 2 sacks
Texans Jason Babin 63 total tackles and 4 sacks
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