"Texans players say they had illegal contract drills at 2008 mini-camp"

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Meh, I don't think it's going to be a big deal. It sounds like sour grapes from 3 players no longer with the team. Even if it were to go against the Texans I wouldn't think the punishment would be too extreme.

Thought about that one too, but in all honesty they're the ones injurey AND off the team, they have nothing to lose. If anyone is to speak up they're the ones, they lost it all and have nothing else to lose to bring this up.

Not saying they're right, just pointing out that if someone were to complain about illegal procedures in the off-season, these would be the guys doing it.

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Malloy

Thought about that one too, but in all honesty they're the ones injurey AND off the team, they have nothing to lose. If anyone is to speak up they're the ones, they lost it all and have nothing else to lose to bring this up.

Not saying they're right, just pointing out that if someone were to complain about illegal procedures in the off-season, these would be the guys doing it.

It's funny to me that the only one not currently on a team is the one not talking to the media.

[JWarren14]

Would these guys have even made the team? If they get hurt during contact drills in minicamp do you think they would have much of a career playing 16+ games a season at a high level week in and week out? I understand its a rule, but to me it just looks these guys are trying to get some sort of compensation or something.

I think its a sport in other countries I think its called rugby or something like that.

Hell Diles broke his leg running down the field in a non-contact drill because he tripped over himself and had a freak accident.

Typical ESPN blowing things out of proportion like LeBron blocking Yao from the weakside or LeBron buying a pepsi from a vending machine using a $2 bill or LeBron shooting a free-throw.

What a joke... hey Stevenson...

"Man's game b*tch!"

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

It's funny to me that the only one not currently on a team is the one not talking to the media.

Im not following you here?
2 of the 3 players mentioned in this espn-stuff are off the team right ?

[Errant Hothy]

A question for somebody more knowledgeable then me. Would shoulder pads have prevented a town labrum?

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by Malloy

Thought about that one too, but in all honesty they're the ones injurey AND off the team, they have nothing to lose. If anyone is to speak up they're the ones, they lost it all and have nothing else to lose to bring this up.

Not saying they're right, just pointing out that if someone were to complain about illegal procedures in the off-season, these would be the guys doing it.

Yes, but after reading the article I got the impression that this happens on an annual basis. This year it's the Texans turn. lol

IMO, it's no biggie.

[TEXANS84]

Alex Gibbs cut-block, it's whats for lawsuits.

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Malloy

Im not following you here?
2 of the 3 players mentioned in this espn-stuff are off the team right ?

Nevermind...brainfart of epic proportions.

Black is a Jag. Stevenson is still a Texan, on IR. Chucky Okobi is not on a roster.

I wonder how long Stevenson is a Texan after this?

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by JWarren14

Would these guys have even made the team? If they get hurt during contact drills in minicamp do you think they would have much of a career playing 16+ games a season at a high level week in and week out? I understand its a rule, but to me it just looks these guys are trying to get some sort of compensation or something.

I think its a sport in other countries I think its called rugby or something like that.

Hell Diles broke his leg running down the field in a non-contact drill because he tripped over himself and had a freak accident.

Typical ESPN blowing things out of proportion like LeBron blocking Yao from the weakside or LeBron buying a pepsi from a vending machine using a $2 bill or LeBron shooting a free-throw.

What a joke... hey Stevenson...

"Man's game b*tch!"

Thats just complete rubbish on so many levels.

Yes they are trying to get compensation because they're careers are ruined, and they damn well should.

That whole 'mans game' talk, do you realize how dumb it sounds? If you lose your job, would you be all manly about it and say 'sure, it's a mans world, I should suck it up'?

[Yankee_In_TX]

Seriously dude - you're a player I have never herd of, get injured, and sneak a video camera in the film room? Hope your grievance works out, because you'll never play in the NFL again.

Sorry you got hurt, hope you get what is coming for your injury AND NOTHING MORE, but jackass.

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Yes, but after reading the article I got the impression that this happens on an annual basis. This year it's the Texans turn. lol

IMO, it's no biggie.

I agree, Im sure all teams do it. That does IMO not change the fact that the players injured are entitled to bring it to the NFLPA's attention and seek some sort of compensation.

Perhaps this will bury the accusations by some that this is a soft franchise

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

Nevermind...brainfart of epic proportions.

Black is a Jag. Stevenson is still a Texan, on IR. Chucky Okobi is not on a roster.

I wonder how long Stevenson is a Texan after this?

Oh dear, thought I had the brain-fart, thanks for saving my ass there

Stevenson might be one of the first players to go, considering that he brought a camera to training... Im sure that's grounds to kick him out.

[gtexan02]

What a joke. End your career because of a torn labrum? Plenty of people get that injury and come back just fine. Sure 3 people got hurt durnig minicamp, but how many more got injured throughout the year? Tihs is just sensationalist journalism.

I say we ship this guy overseas and leave him there. This football team is a family, and you don't ever go against the family

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

Nevermind...brainfart of epic proportions.

Black is a Jag. Stevenson is still a Texan, on IR. Chucky Okobi is not on a roster.

I wonder how long Stevenson is a Texan after this?

Weary, an ex, agrees with them though. It people gave him any respect for this time here.

Overall though, considering the O-line depth, I don't find this to be "nothing" since that depth was depleted due to these injuries. Sounds stupid to me. They have something to grind but it isn't something I like to see.

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Yankee_In_TX

Seriously dude - you're a player I have never herd of, get injured, and sneak a video camera in the film room? Hope your grievance works out, because you'll never play in the NFL again.

Sorry you got hurt, hope you get what is coming for your injury AND NOTHING MORE, but jackass.

Stevenson is still listed as an IR'ed Texan, atleast according to the homepage.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster.html

[gtexan02]

Did anyone watch the video? How is that drill full speed? No one even falls down

[Yankee_In_TX]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

Stevenson is still listed as an IR'ed Texan, atleast according to the homepage.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster.html

I've still never heard of him

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Yankee_In_TX

I've still never heard of him

Nor had I. I had only heard about Black, because of the near infinte chours' stating how much he sucked.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

A question for somebody more knowledgeable then me. Would shoulder pads have prevented a town labrum?

The pads could restrict the range of motion of the arm.

But... I wouldn't expect it to make that much of a difference. Cloak would be able to answer this much better than I can.

But when I hear of a torn labrum, I usually associate it with a sharp tug on the forearm where the force is transferred up the biceps to the attachment on the labrum. The weakest link along that chain usually tears or detaches. Sometimes it's the labrum, sometimes it's the attachment of the biceps to the forearm. If I'm right on that, then the pads wouldn't have made a difference.

Unless Jackson's and Black's problem wasn't with the use of pads but rather the level of contact because they weren't in football shape, yet. And if it's about being in shape, then I'd put that on the S&C staff.

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by gtexan02

I say we ship this guy overseas and leave him there. This football team is a family, and you don't ever go against the family

Thats mafia logic.

I appreciate that players stick their heads out to protect themselves and future players from ending up in the same situation. Thats supporting your family, not hiding abuse based on a skewed sense of loyalty.