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Old 02-01-2009   #21
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  1. de (really 1a)
  2. s (really 1b)
  3. og/c
  4. rb
  5. lb
  6. db
  7. dt
  8. wr
  9. te
  10. qb

Here's my rationale:

We need to improve our red zone offense. I think we can do that by improving the inside of our line and by adding a bruising running back. I was hesitant to put OG/C this high because I don't want to mess with the chemistry of the line. But I think we can improve the interior.

I dropped DT from a position of importance because I think that the change in defensive philosophy is going to improve our DT play. I think that the shift from a read and react/sideline to sideline to an up-the-field, gap shooting approach is going to utilize our DT's to their best ability. I think Amobi and TJ are both going to improve dramatically.

I think WR is more important than TE. I think we can upgrade Anderson and/or Davis.

The LB position is the one that I'm not sure about. If a really quality LB like a Rey Maualuga (sp) drops to us... it's going to be hard to say no. And if someone like a Cushing or a Matthews has a great Combine, it's going to be hard to say no to them. And although I like Diles, I think we can upgrade him. I was tempted to move LB up but I think we might be OK.
I agree with your first four spots. I definitely think that the OG/OC plus a bruiser RB will help our redzone offense IMMENSELy. Then, the added pressure and ballhawking ability of the DE and S would make our defense feared. After that I would go:

5. DB
6. DT
7. QB
8. OT
9. LB
10. WR

after those first four needs, the rest of these are mostly depth material. You can never have too much depth at the DB position, especially with how we've been relying on Faggins more than I'm sure most of us would like. If Robinson comes back healthy and Bennet and Molden start playing like we hope they do, then that's great, we have more depth and can afford a) injuries (knock on wood) or b) we'll have trade value somewhere down the road.

Just like you, I'm hoping with a new defensive scheme, TJ starts being productive, but so far in his career, he hasn't shown it, so I'd bring in a DT as an insurance policy. Plus, rotating DL to keep them fresh is always pretty effective, espeically now with Kollar who is apparantly an "effort" guy.

Since Schaub hasn't PROVED that he's NOT injury prone, we should look for a backup QB in the middle/later rounds, since I really would hate to see Rosenfels blow up again. Hindsight 20/20, we shoulda traded him last year while he still had value.

Brown still hasn't shown himself to be the LT of the future, and while he may prove himself this year, again, you can't have too much depth on the line.

I really like our LBs, and they are young and haven't had time to prove themselves. Hopefully they pan out, but if they don't, we should get some quality depth.

Lastly, WR. I really feel like this is the one position on the team we DON'T need help at. Well, that and TE. AJ is a beast, Walter is the blue collar guy, Davis can bring some speed, Anderson has a knack for getting open, and Jacoby...well, Jacoby hopefully will mature. OD is goin to the probowl and Dreesen is a quality backup.
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I saw one mock that had us taking Vontae Davis (CB) in the 1st & Sean Smith (CB/S) in the 2nd round. That's an interesting way of looking at it. If we could address DE in free agency (Canty, Adeyanju, Peppers, Berry), then going after Davis & Smith might not be a bad idea.

Is there any reason why we couldn't run 4 CB's out there?
I think our #1 need is a starting CB, so I like mocks with us going CB in the first two rounds. Realisticly though, I'd want a CB in the first even if I take a player 5 picks "too early", because we need a starter to play opposite Reeves. Then I want an outside linebacker with our 2nd round pick.

Chris Canty would play DT for us, he'd take TJs spot.


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Either MLB or NT

DeMeco got eaten alive by blockers with the crap DT play in front of him. Either a beast MLB like Rey Rey needs to be drafted and let DeMeco get kicked to outside or draft a NT to soak up blocks.

Play-making WR to pair with AJ or to give us a slot guy if you are a Walter lover
I'm really hoping we make a serious run at Chris Canty. I think he's just what we need on the DL, which will allow Demeco to do what he does. I'm not interested at all in moving Demeco.

I understand your reasoning, but if you agree the problem is poor DT play....... let's fix the DT.
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It depends on who falls to us. If we take ReyRey, he'd be an upgrade at SAM over Diles and we could even re-arrange our LB's and put Demeco at SAM and Rey at Mike. That MIGHT be a better overall configuration. And if the elite DE's that we have on our board are already gone, then it might make sense to go ahead and upgrade the LB's. The fact that both Adibi and Diles have had problems staying on the field worries me.

So, I'm not going to be upset if they decide to upgrade the LB's in the first. I don't think it's our biggest position of need but it might make the most sense when need hits available talent.
I had hoped that Rey Rey would make a SAM, but watching him at the Senior Bowl, I now doubt that move. He is so much better going downhill, and he is not natural shedding blocker like a SAM should be. Matthews is much more natural at the SAM and he most likely does not cost a 1st round pick.

As for Demeco being a SAM, he could do the job, but IMO you limit his upside at the SAM. Also an offense has a much easier time of getting a SAM off the field, not a good thing for Ryans. The prototype SAM is also a little taller, read that to mean longer arms to shed blocker, Ryans can be a SAM but it would be his weakest position.
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Really? A wasted pick in the 7th huh? No such thing. While we have been incredibly lucky the last few years by getting production from our 7th rounders, that certainly isnt the norm. Like beer lover already stated hiding a qb on the practice squad is pretty comon place not just with the Texans but around the league. Give the Texans some tie with Brink to develope. If he doesnt oh well its just a flyer in the 7th. If e does then we struck gold.

Very low risk high reward scenario.
It's not the qb they took that makes the pick a waste, but the RB they passed. Plus as stated they cut he player and did not sign him to the practice squad the 1st few weeks. That shows me the teams really does not have a strong feeling on the kid. Had they signed him the PS day one, then I would have a different view of this pick.

I look at every pick as important, unlike Casserly I do not like to throw away any of the picks. Brink could have been had as a UDFA, he is not strong armed and did not come from a big named college program. Wasted pick. There where players passed that could have helped this team passed up for Brink, again I point to Aldridge.
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It's not the qb they took that makes the pick a waste, but the RB they passed. Plus as stated they cut he player and did not sign him to the practice squad the 1st few weeks. That shows me the teams really does not have a strong feeling on the kid. Had they signed him the PS day one, then I would have a different view of this pick.

I look at every pick as important, unlike Casserly I do not like to throw away any of the picks. Brink could have been had as a UDFA, he is not strong armed and did not come from a big named college program. Wasted pick. There where players passed that could have helped this team passed up for Brink, again I point to Aldridge.
I guess I dont understand the thinking on why the Texans FO would have wanted Aldrige since they took Slaton in the 3rd and agree with the moves or not Green and Brown were on the roster still. And saying that any team not just ours should have taken player A in the 7th instead of player B after the fact is kinda pointless.
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you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.
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you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.
You've got to assume that the better players will be picked earlier. That's obviously not true but you can't bet that the 4th or 5th round guy you go after is going to give you great production.

Now, there are probably going to be some great guys back later in the draft and I hope that we get them. Personally, in what little I saw, Tim Jamison (DE, Michigan) looked really good in the Senior Bowl practices but I don't know who he was up against. It might have been just bad competition. But he didn't perform last year on the field so he'd be a risk. And that's the problem. The later you go in the draft, the riskier it's going to be that the guy is going to step up. Or, at least, step up their rookie season.
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It's hard to prioritize our needs because they're all important. It also depends on if Dunta is re-signed or not, if not then CB becomes the #1 priority. My opinion in order of importance looks like this.

1. SS
2. OLB-SAM
3. DE
4. RG
5. RB, to take some of the load off Slaton.
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My opinion in order of importance looks like this.

1. SS
6. FS
I don't see it this way at all. With Smith, we were running a defense that tried to play halves with the safeties. So, we didn't have a real SS/FS setup. All of our safeties are very similar and most would be considered SS's, I think.

Hopefully, in our new scheme, we'll have a normal safety setup.

And if we do, I think our biggest need is for a free safety not a strong one. I think most of our guys could play a decent SS role but we don't have anyone with the range needed to play a true FS role. So, I'd actually swap these two positions in terms of need.
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I don't see it this way at all. With Smith, we were running a defense that tried to play halves with the safeties. So, we didn't have a real SS/FS setup. All of our safeties are very similar and most would be considered SS's, I think.

Hopefully, in our new scheme, we'll have a normal safety setup.

And if we do, I think our biggest need is for a free safety not a strong one. I think most of our guys could play a decent SS role but we don't have anyone with the range needed to play a true FS role. So, I'd actually swap these two positions in terms of need.
I was listening to a someone on TV, had to be on the NFLnetwork because I do not listen to the other channel much, the trend in the NFL is to interchangeable safeties. I do not remember why exactly, but I think it had to do with the amount of cover 2 teams are going to. Cover2 was designed to be played by lessor quality DBs, the LBs and DL are the better players.
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you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.
My thinking is we have about 9 or 10 guys that can be upgraded on defense, so when we pick is there a player that looks to upgrade one of those guys. Then how much of an impact will that player have today? This draft is devoid of superstars but has some solid upgrades up to the 5 round.

BTW I believe we need to add a couple RBs to the mix, one being a big back/ goal line type, and a 2nd being solid young talent. Our offense needs young legs, and a lot of them.
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1. DE
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you know I'm not shy about the draft, however I was hoping more for a serious look @ what are the critical positions that have to upgraded? how do the Texans make the jump like Arizona did last year from selecting #15 to this Sunday's Superbowl?

1. currently the Texans do not the edge rusher they need, that has to be #1. what people are mis-interpreting is you don't HAVE TO SPEND A FIRST RD. PICK TO GET ONE! Justin Tuck was a 3rd. pick, better yet Kyle Vanden Bosch aquired by Tennessee also in 05 for next to nothing, never produced or flashed much as a Cardinal because of injuy's. so yes this is #1 need but there are assorted, less obvious ways to address this need.
Tuck was a 3rd round pick because he came out early after only being used and productive his junior season. I do not recall why he came out but had he stayed he would have improved greatly because he had already showed flashes of his ability.

Of course with every position you can point out success of players not taken in the first round. Hence why a lot of teams choose BPA in a need area. With FS, DE and DT all top needs, there are options.
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1a) DE
1b) OLB
1c) S
1d) DT
2) RB
3) CB
4) C/G

Since we desperately need improvement at the first 4 positions, I listed them as equal. Hopefully the change in defensive philosophy like Pencil Neck mentioned earlier will improve the play of our Dline.

In the end, if any of the positions 1a-1d is our 1st pick I'll be happy.

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I was listening to a someone on TV, had to be on the NFLnetwork because I do not listen to the other channel much, the trend in the NFL is to interchangeable safeties. I do not remember why exactly, but I think it had to do with the amount of cover 2 teams are going to. Cover2 was designed to be played by lessor quality DBs, the LBs and DL are the better players.
It gets back to philosophy. What was Richard Smith's philosophy? A man-under, zone blitz, cover 2 variation with the two deep safeties and the mike playing the deep middle with d-linemen dropping into coverage and the CB's supposed to play off-man but stay on one side of the field that's aggressive and attacking... or something?
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I was listening to a someone on TV, had to be on the NFLnetwork because I do not listen to the other channel much, the trend in the NFL is to interchangeable safeties. I do not remember why exactly, but I think it had to do with the amount of cover 2 teams are going to. Cover2 was designed to be played by lessor quality DBs, the LBs and DL are the better players.
I wouldnt mind interchangable, but use two FS. I would rather have centerfielders than Line Backers.
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It gets back to philosophy. What was Richard Smith's philosophy? A man-under, zone blitz, cover 2 variation with the two deep safeties and the mike playing the deep middle with d-linemen dropping into coverage and the CB's supposed to play off-man but stay on one side of the field that's aggressive and attacking... or something?
Yeah, I think of everything with Richard Smith that was the worst. None of us, and even seemingly the players actually knew what the heck he was trying to do. It is different when you coach an attacking 3-4 or cover 2 or bears 46 and don't get the right palyers to run the defense versus no one, not even the players, even being able to explain what the defense is supposed to do. Hell, the Texans may have better parts than we think especially if someone can tell the pieces what thier role is.
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Yeah, I think of everything with Richard Smith that was the worst. None of us, and even seemingly the players actually knew what the heck he was trying to do. It is different when you coach an attacking 3-4 or cover 2 or bears 46 and don't get the right palyers to run the defense versus no one, not even the players, even being able to explain what the defense is supposed to do. Hell, the Texans may have better parts than we think especially if someone can tell the pieces what thier role is.
I agree. We arent the most talented defense in the NFL, but we have alot more talent than we have shown.
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