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Herdof · 01-06-2005

Sophmore CB Brandon Browner from Oregon State has declared for the NFL draft. 6-4, 202 and runs 4.4's. Can be found in the second to maybe early third. I'm VERY high on this guy, hopefully we can pick him up early.

YoungTexanFan · 01-06-2005

that is an intresting choice, i think we would be reaching for a cb that early, i thought next year at the earliest. we have a few other needs to address first, but he sounds like quite a physical prospect, do you have a scouting report on him?

F-minus67 · 01-06-2005

the guy sounds pretty good, but when a cb is over 6'1" to 6'2", they tend to have less fluid hips and are slow out of their stances.

Wolf · 01-06-2005

listed as #5 in the draft (for sophmores) overall
http://www.draftshowcase.com/

hot pickle · 01-06-2005

maybe a tall CB might be good for the texans

DoCt3rJ · 01-06-2005

If you think about it I think we will be looking at corner in rounds 1-3, I doubt in the first round, but, Glenn is about to be gone. I don't think Faggin's will be a good starter, hes a little slow, but hes a excellent nickel back. We also really need help at safety once again. Coleman was injured, and hes also probably about to retire, then theres Glenn Earl, who hasn't showen me nothing at all. I like that big safety in the first round. I also would like another MLB in the 2nd/3rd round, or move Kailee to middle and Peek to replace him.

ledzeppelin229 · 01-07-2005

I think Earl will be ok at SS, the fact that we didn't see a whole lot of him is sometimes a good thing for a rookie. I'm sure they lessened a lot of his responsibilities, but an offseason of training camp and more time from his injury and he can only get better as time goes on.

**texanfan2002114** · 01-07-2005

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Originally Posted by DoCt3rJ

If you think about it I think we will be looking at corner in rounds 1-3, I doubt in the first round, but, Glenn is about to be gone. I don't think Faggin's will be a good starter, hes a little slow, but hes a excellent nickel back. We also really need help at safety once again. Coleman was injured, and hes also probably about to retire, then theres Glenn Earl, who hasn't showen me nothing at all. I like that big safety in the first round. I also would like another MLB in the 2nd/3rd round, or move Kailee to middle and Peek to replace him.

I agree with you about Glenn. He has lost about 5 steps. You are wrong about Colman. He is nowhere close to retiring. He just signed an extention during this season.

Earl will be a stud on this team. You have to remember that he had acl knee surgery right before he was drafted. Thats why the Texans got him in the 4th round. He was rated the 2nd best saftey in the country behind Sean Taylor before he got hurt.

TexansCanes · 01-07-2005

suprising that he declared. i was think about him as a replacment but in a year or two. he was the freshman of the year in the pac-10 last year and has improved this year. i think with good workouts he will be able to improve his stock a lot just becuase scouts probably don't know as much and look at his workouts very carefully. right now we have two corners that are on the small side so a big corner would be a great addition. another guy that i was looking at as a replacment was antonio chromartie. he is tall and fast and was voted first team all-acc even though he didn't start. but he can't come out till next year so if we don't fill the need this year, i would like to look at him in the next couple of drafts.

hou059 · 01-07-2005

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Originally Posted by F-minus67

the guy sounds pretty good, but when a cb is over 6'1" to 6'2", they tend to have less fluid hips and are slow out of their stances.

Nice point F-minus, although being a big corner back is great in the league, I think being able to keep up with the WR is more important. Especially with the rules implemented this season. It's all about being able to cover now. Look at Robinson and Glenn. I think they are listed at 5'10"? Yeah okay, and that's probably not even close, maybe for Robinson but suely Glenn is not that. I would say more like 5'8 but they are agile, quick and smart. This young kid yall are talking about, do you think he can handle the NFL mentally? I am sure the Texans would like to play immediately whoever they draft.

Grid · 01-07-2005

ive never been real big on the whole "big CB" thing.. I think a CB can be as short as 5'10" and still cover a 6'2" - 6'3" WR without a WHOLE lot of difficulty. It all depends on his quickness, technique, and jumping ability.

That being said, if we take a CB, we need to take a good COVER corner.. not a physical corner. the 5 yard rule makes cover corners infinately more effective than big physical guys.

I am also of the opinion that we can afford to take a CB in the 3rd and 4th rounds for the next few years, and look for a diamond in the rough, while we groom Demarcus Faggins. I think he can replace Glenn, possibly permenantly, but if not, at least until we find another guy.

Of course, I wouldnt complain if we traded down and grabbed Carlos Rogers.

Grid · 01-07-2005

btw.. what about Antonio Perkins? he almost sounds like Dunta-lite .. but also with return capabilities.

http://www.draftshowcase.com/AntonioPerkins.htm

hou059 · 01-07-2005

I wonder how accurate that forty time is, 4.31. That guy can fly! he would bring an added spark to our return game!

Marcus · 01-07-2005

Throwing my

in on drafting a cornerback. If they do draft one, they should go ahead and take the shutdown corner in the 1st. Since this is such a weak draft, unless a premier DT is still available, take a CB and then go for OL and DL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

As for Antonio Perkins, he'll go very high in the draft based on return capablities alone. But he's a return man, CB second. CC and Capers will want it the other way around. I see them looking at Justin Miller of Clemson. He's a big hitter with speed, plus he can return punts. I think his stock will rise going up to the combine and not necessarily be a reach with the 13th pick. If CC trades down, (which is what everyone will want CC to do, but I doubt he will do) then Pac-Man Jones will probably still be more attractive than Perkins, again for the same reasons.

It will be interesting to see how the kickoff and punt return situation plays out. CC and Capers clearly want someone other than J.J. Moses because Moses can't multi-task. I see them being interested in Perkins in maybe the 3rd or 4th round, but he'll be gone before then. On the other hand, CC and Capers don't like having a high draft pick starting CB returning kicks due to the higher risk of injury.

hou059 · 01-07-2005

I was thinking about Justin Miller but the guy really didn't impress me at Clemson, plus his a trash talker and doesn't do enough to back it up. I don't he is good enough to take in the 1st round let alone with the 13th pick. But I'll give him credit he is one hell of a return man!

**beerlover** · 01-07-2005

there are enough quality CB's coming out the Texans could still get a top tier with the 2nd pick, Carlos Rogers with that pick would be outstanding, with so many good ones coming out he should still be there- In a case of the rich keeps getting richer, the increasingly strong CB position for the 2005 draft got a little stronger with Tennessee junior CB Jason Allen having reportedly decided to enter this year's draft. Allen joins fellow junior CBs Adam Jones of West Virginia, Justin Miller of Clemson and Fabian Washington of Nebraska, as well as star Oregon State sophomore Brandon Browner who have already entered the 2005 draft making the CB position one of the real strengths at this year's draft.

Human Highlight Reel · 01-10-2005

This is how we should go with the draft strategy.

1st round, I'd trade out and get a high second round and high 3rd. with the first 2nd rounder i would take a Saftey, then with the next 2nd round take a ILB. with the first 3rd round take a CB, with the 2nd 3rd rounder take a D-Lineman, 4th round pick up a RB. 5-7 take O-Linemen.

I'd do all my upgrading of the O-Lineman and D-Lineman in Free Agency.

hou059 · 01-10-2005

I can't see the Texans trading their 1st round pick because there are plenty of studs that will be onthe board at 13. If they do trade then they trade for a later first round pick and a 2nd round pick. But you can't really rule toomuch out with Casserly calling the shoots on draft day. Maybe make a trade with Seattle or St. Loiuis for their first round pick and a second round pick that way Seattle or St. Loius can pick up Ahmad Brooks, if they want him bad enough.

**infantrycak** · 01-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Human Highlight Reel

This is how we should go with the draft strategy.

1st round, I'd trade out and get a high second round and high 3rd. with the first 2nd rounder i would take a Saftey, then with the next 2nd round take a ILB. with the first 3rd round take a CB, with the 2nd 3rd rounder take a D-Lineman, 4th round pick up a RB. 5-7 take O-Linemen.

I'd do all my upgrading of the O-Lineman and D-Lineman in Free Agency.

The #13 pick is worth more than the top 2nd & 3rd round picks combined. From the not set in stone value chart--#13 1150 pts vs. #33 580 pts + #65 265 pts = 845 pts. Most trade ups in the past few years have overpaid the chart value, not underpaid. And why target a 2nd round safety as the top pick if you do the deal?--who is getting replaced?--Coleman just got a new deal, mostly in the form of signing bonus so the Texans aren't replacing him. Earl is a guy they said would have had a 1st round grade but for his injury. Don't see how you could have concluded he is so bad at the position with the limited time he played this year that replacing him is such a need that a rookie 2nd rounder is likely to take his spot.

Mistril48 · 01-10-2005

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

The #13 pick is worth more ...

Good analysis, although my recollection was they said they had a 2nd round grade on Earl, not 1st, but I'm not sure.

I think it's still a little too early to tell the value of the #13 pick until every Jr. has declared. Leinart would affect the top of the draft IMO.

Last year, for example, I think many people thought there were 7 'top' picks (Manning, Roethlisberger, Gallery, Williams, Fitzgerald, Winslow and Taylor) I think the draft fell well for Atlanta and Houston, who got the top rated CBs (many thought there was a drop off after them). I think Buffalo could have justified going up to 9 for Roethlisberger and Jags going back to 13th for the BA DE, or WR.

Once the group is set and then we see how the draft unfolds, it may be clear the Texans should try to fall back (like I think the Jags should have). Time will tell.

01-06-2005	#2
YoungTexanFan Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,788 Rep Power: 653	thats intresting that is an intresting choice, i think we would be reaching for a cb that early, i thought next year at the earliest. we have a few other needs to address first, but he sounds like quite a physical prospect, do you have a scouting report on him?

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Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,820 Rep Power: 40226	listed as #5 in the draft (for sophmores) overall http://www.draftshowcase.com/ __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store

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TexansCanes All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: LSU Age: 26 Posts: 600 Rep Power: 10	suprising that he declared. i was think about him as a replacment but in a year or two. he was the freshman of the year in the pac-10 last year and has improved this year. i think with good workouts he will be able to improve his stock a lot just becuase scouts probably don't know as much and look at his workouts very carefully. right now we have two corners that are on the small side so a big corner would be a great addition. another guy that i was looking at as a replacment was antonio chromartie. he is tall and fast and was voted first team all-acc even though he didn't start. but he can't come out till next year so if we don't fill the need this year, i would like to look at him in the next couple of drafts. __________________ "He's a bad dude, I'd like to have him in our arsenal. I'd never run the ball."

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Human Highlight Reel Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 29 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 9	This is how we should go with the draft strategy. 1st round, I'd trade out and get a high second round and high 3rd. with the first 2nd rounder i would take a Saftey, then with the next 2nd round take a ILB. with the first 3rd round take a CB, with the 2nd 3rd rounder take a D-Lineman, 4th round pick up a RB. 5-7 take O-Linemen. I'd do all my upgrading of the O-Lineman and D-Lineman in Free Agency. __________________ Warning to ALL teams, We have D-Rob and PB so please don't throw...

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01-06-2005	#1
Herdof Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 24 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Our future corner to compliment Dunta... Sophmore CB Brandon Browner from Oregon State has declared for the NFL draft. 6-4, 202 and runs 4.4's. Can be found in the second to maybe early third. I'm VERY high on this guy, hopefully we can pick him up early. __________________ *Domanick Davis is a quality starting running back, shut your mouth!*

01-06-2005	#3
F-minus67 Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Middletown,CT Age: 26 Posts: 1,070 Rep Power: 10	the guy sounds pretty good, but when a cb is over 6'1" to 6'2", they tend to have less fluid hips and are slow out of their stances.

01-06-2005	#5
hot pickle السلام عليكم Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Age: 24 Posts: 2,433 Rep Power: 2073	maybe a tall CB might be good for the texans

01-06-2005	#6
DoCt3rJ Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Age: 27 Posts: 357 Rep Power: 10	If you think about it I think we will be looking at corner in rounds 1-3, I doubt in the first round, but, Glenn is about to be gone. I don't think Faggin's will be a good starter, hes a little slow, but hes a excellent nickel back. We also really need help at safety once again. Coleman was injured, and hes also probably about to retire, then theres Glenn Earl, who hasn't showen me nothing at all. I like that big safety in the first round. I also would like another MLB in the 2nd/3rd round, or move Kailee to middle and Peek to replace him.

01-07-2005	#11
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	ive never been real big on the whole "big CB" thing.. I think a CB can be as short as 5'10" and still cover a 6'2" - 6'3" WR without a WHOLE lot of difficulty. It all depends on his quickness, technique, and jumping ability. That being said, if we take a CB, we need to take a good COVER corner.. not a physical corner. the 5 yard rule makes cover corners infinately more effective than big physical guys. I am also of the opinion that we can afford to take a CB in the 3rd and 4th rounds for the next few years, and look for a diamond in the rough, while we groom Demarcus Faggins. I think he can replace Glenn, possibly permenantly, but if not, at least until we find another guy. Of course, I wouldnt complain if we traded down and grabbed Carlos Rogers.

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hou059 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 127 Rep Power: 0	I wonder how accurate that forty time is, 4.31. That guy can fly! he would bring an added spark to our return game!

01-07-2005	#14
Marcus Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Stafford, Texas Age: 59 Posts: 6,768 Rep Power: 19093	Throwing my in on drafting a cornerback. If they do draft one, they should go ahead and take the shutdown corner in the 1st. Since this is such a weak draft, unless a premier DT is still available, take a CB and then go for OL and DL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. As for Antonio Perkins, he'll go very high in the draft based on return capablities alone. But he's a return man, CB second. CC and Capers will want it the other way around. I see them looking at Justin Miller of Clemson. He's a big hitter with speed, plus he can return punts. I think his stock will rise going up to the combine and not necessarily be a reach with the 13th pick. If CC trades down, (which is what everyone will want CC to do, but I doubt he will do) then Pac-Man Jones will probably still be more attractive than Perkins, again for the same reasons. It will be interesting to see how the kickoff and punt return situation plays out. CC and Capers clearly want someone other than J.J. Moses because Moses can't multi-task. I see them being interested in Perkins in maybe the 3rd or 4th round, but he'll be gone before then. On the other hand, CC and Capers don't like having a high draft pick starting CB returning kicks due to the higher risk of injury.

01-07-2005	#16
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,357 Rep Power: 15075	there are enough quality CB's coming out the Texans could still get a top tier with the 2nd pick, Carlos Rogers with that pick would be outstanding, with so many good ones coming out he should still be there- In a case of the rich keeps getting richer, the increasingly strong CB position for the 2005 draft got a little stronger with Tennessee junior CB Jason Allen having reportedly decided to enter this year's draft. Allen joins fellow junior CBs Adam Jones of West Virginia, Justin Miller of Clemson and Fabian Washington of Nebraska, as well as star Oregon State sophomore Brandon Browner who have already entered the 2005 draft making the CB position one of the real strengths at this year's draft.

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