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Old 01-17-2009   #1
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Default Percy Harvin - Top 20 pick?

I have looked at many mock drafts and a lot of them have him falling all the way down to the Titans. I put $500 that he gets taken in the top 20.

How do you look past this guy? He is one hell of a playmaker, with tons of speed and runs great routes. He is the type of guy that you always try to get the ball to. There should be no way that Bud gets his chubby little paws on him.

And, btw, I am not a Florida Gators fan.
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Default Re: Percy Harvin - Top 20 pick?

Depends... teams decided to pass up the WR's last draft. You just never know how it's going to shake out. Does he have the talent to be a top 20 selection? Absolutely.

But there's possibly 3 WR's that could get selected before him.
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Default Re: Percy Harvin - Top 20 pick?

I have said in previous posts that I think he will go higher than where he is being taken in mocks. I see him being taken before the Titans though, which is a good thing.
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Percy Harvin is like Jeremy Maclin. Both are 1st round picks.
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Percy Harvin is like Jeremy Maclin. Both are 1st round picks.
I see Harvin being more explosive in the open field. He reminds me a lot of Steve Smith.
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Default Re: Percy Harvin - Top 20 pick?

After the combine.....Percy will be a Top 10 pick....No doubt about it!
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After the combine.....Percy will be a Top 10 pick....No doubt about it!
Good. That ups the chances that a good player will fall to us.

Harvin has skills. There's no doubt about that. I find it hard to get excited about an undersized guy with a history of injuries who doesn't have a true position in the NFL, and who comes from the same school that has given us such greats as Chad Jackson, Travis Taylor, Jacquez Green, Taylor Jacobs, Reidel Anthony, and Reche Caldwell. Hopefully he goes to the Jags.
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Default Re: Percy Harvin - Top 20 pick?

Harvin, like Maclin, has some elite abilities. However, neither guys are (IMO) ready to be NFL WR's. They are both project. With that said, I can see one or two possible situations that either of them could step in and contribute as a WR. They will need a mobile QB who lives with the 5-7 yard passes. I think Tennessee with Vince Young as the QB or Minnasota with Jackson as the QB. Neither guys are actually a good QB, but they can move the pocket and they do. A WR like Harvin or Maclin allows for options short passes like jailbreak screens. Teams who don't really have a vertical threat at QB could be best served with one of these guys. These two aren't going to make their name with the 9 routes, but they do have a place in the NFL; it's just a little more select than most.
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Default Re: Percy Harvin - Top 20 pick?

Hopefully either Macklin or Harvin will slip to us in the second round
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Default Re: Percy Harvin - Top 20 pick?

he's a great athlete, has tons of upside, he should definitely go top 20. if he doesn't, he'll go to a team with a good coaching staff in place and that'll just make him even better as a player down the road.
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Harvin, like Maclin, has some elite abilities. However, neither guys are (IMO) ready to be NFL WR's. They are both project. With that said, I can see one or two possible situations that either of them could step in and contribute as a WR. They will need a mobile QB who lives with the 5-7 yard passes. I think Tennessee with Vince Young as the QB or Minnasota with Jackson as the QB. Neither guys are actually a good QB, but they can move the pocket and they do. A WR like Harvin or Maclin allows for options short passes like jailbreak screens. Teams who don't really have a vertical threat at QB could be best served with one of these guys. These two aren't going to make their name with the 9 routes, but they do have a place in the NFL; it's just a little more select than most.
Very good assessment and right on point YTF. Harvin can have his success but early on it will be on the short routes and Wildcat formation types of plays unless he becomes a warrior in the off season at working on route running. It will depend on who drafts him and how their coordinator and coaching stafff finds ways to utilize him in that offense. He is a different type of WR right now, so you'll have to use him in different ways until he gets a lot better at running the traditional routes.

That being said though, I sort of had the same feelings about Desean Jackson last off season. He didn't seem to be that great of a route runner either, and hell all season long he made quite a few plays and had an excellent season for any rookie WR. It just isn't likely that these types of guys will play well right off the bat when they have work to do as far as getting better in their routes and other intangibles that WR's are supposed to do like blocking as well. I mean, how much blocking did Harvin really do at Florida this year?
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Very good assessment and right on point YTF. Harvin can have his success but early on it will be on the short routes and Wildcat formation types of plays unless he becomes a warrior in the off season at working on route running. It will depend on who drafts him and how their coordinator and coaching stafff finds ways to utilize him in that offense. He is a different type of WR right now, so you'll have to use him in different ways until he gets a lot better at running the traditional routes.

That being said though, I sort of had the same feelings about Desean Jackson last off season. He didn't seem to be that great of a route runner either, and hell all season long he made quite a few plays and had an excellent season for any rookie WR. It just isn't likely that these types of guys will play well right off the bat when they have work to do as far as getting better in their routes and other intangibles that WR's are supposed to do like blocking as well. I mean, how much blocking did Harvin really do at Florida this year?
I felt the exact same way about Jackson last year too, so I was definitely wrong about him as well. I think that is more an exception with these slot receivers. I agree with what you said though about Maclin.
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Good. That ups the chances that a good player will fall to us.

Harvin has skills. There's no doubt about that. I find it hard to get excited about an undersized guy with a history of injuries who doesn't have a true position in the NFL, and who comes from the same school that has given us such greats as Chad Jackson, Travis Taylor, Jacquez Green, Taylor Jacobs, Reidel Anthony, and Reche Caldwell. Hopefully he goes to the Jags.
I don't want him going to the Jags. if he explodes at the combine like most of you are predicting then he will NOT slip past Oakland. we all know Davis' ridiculous love of 40 times but that's not the only thing you throw into the picture. IF (and i don't think he will) he goes in the top ten it'll be because Russell needs a weapon and the fact that he can make a play out of nothing, which, in Oakland, is needed seeing as they don't have ANY playmakers outside of McFadden.
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I see Harvin being more explosive in the open field. He reminds me a lot of Steve Smith.
Harvin is not Steve Smith. He actually reminds me a lot of Reggie Bush. He's a small, quick, athletic guy who was not playing the right position in college. Both Harvin & Bush were excellent RB's in college, but they are slot receivers in the NFL. I know Harvin was listed as a WR @ Florida, but he played almost as much RB as he did a WR and he is not polished at all. All he did was use his speed to beat guys and he does not run definite routes. He will have the same problem at the next level as Reggie Bush has had so far in his career. The defenders in the NFL are just as athletic as the offensive guys and so his speed will only take him so far. He will not be able to line up and just run past everybody.

Jeremy Maclin on the other hand played WR his entire career and played in an offense where you had to run routes, make adjustments to coverage, and get open. He is ready to be a WR in the NFL although he could put on a little weight for protection as he is a small guy to.

I would not touch Harvin if I were the Texans, but if we had the opportunity for Maclin in the 2nd round then I say go for it. I seriously doubt he will be around that long though.
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So with an outstanding pro day, Harvin is looking really good.

I wouldn't be suprised is the Texans are targeting Harvin, especially if they are not sold on Cushing or Matthews and Maclin is gone at 15.
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If he had gone to USC maybe........




I think its a team by team descision, he has top 20 talent, but only for certain teams would be a good top 20 pick.
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