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Old 01-14-2009   #161
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Well, he's already said everything that i wanted to hear...he's gonna be more aggressive & get these guys "flying around making plays" which is the biggest change i wanted to see from our new D-coordinator- whomever that was gonna be. I think it's a plus that he's either played or coached under Buddy Ryan & Jerry Glanville & if either of those guys' philosophy has rubbed off on him, i think i can take him at his word about being more aggressive on defense.


he's gonna get a couple more toys to play with in the draft & with a little luck FA, so i'm expecting us to look completely different on defense next year...for the better.
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The King is dead, long live the King!

We wanted change. Change is here.


Something changed the second half of the season. I believe it was Bush taking over and we were not informed.

If the defense can play an entire season like they did the second half of this season, we will be on the right track.

Have a system, find the players that fit the system. Be aggressive.
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I am pretty sure it was not for the full title of Defensive Coordinator
I'm pretty sure it was for the DC spot since when they were denied permission to talk to Frank Bush they went out and hired Smith as the DC.
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I'm pretty sure it was for the DC spot since when they were denied permission to talk to Frank Bush they went out and hired Smith as the DC.
Like I had said, my initial reponse was within the context of the 2009 hiring process. But if you want to continue this debate I submit this

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The original plan when Kubiak was hired was to bring in Smith and Arizona Cardinals linebackers coach Frank Bush as co-defensive coordinators. But because Bush is under contract, the Cardinals denied permission for Houston officials to meet with him. Bush this week was promoted to assistant head coach.
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I hope Kubes got it right.

One thing that's for sure Bush & D. Gibbs will work cheap.

This seems to be the common theme among Kubes asst. coach hires.

I'm certain this is a directive that comes from Mr.McNair.
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SIGH! I kinda sorta agree with SecondH! I was really hoping to get a DC way outside from this organization, who is proven! I'm not all that thrilled with Bush & if next year our D is ranked in the mid to low 20s.....again, I would really be upset. I hope Kaptain Kubes is right & his ship won't sink with this hiring!
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Like I had said, my initial reponse was within the context of the 2009 hiring process. But if you want to continue this debate I submit this



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2316802


And this the part where I say google : Frank Bush "Kubiak's first choice" and the point to Alan Burge's write up from yesterday or the chron entries a little lower on the first page. I would do all of this for you but I'm on a phone so I can't copy and paste articles as of this moment.

But yes, I'll say that the initial poster is right in saying that Bush was in fact Kubiak's first choice as a DC.
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Probably advising Kubiak on the ways he would improve the mess of a defense that Richard Smith was sending out on the field every week. Well, until about week 11 when he starting participating in the game planning (just a guess).
We'll never know, for sure, if Bush was calling the plays--All we have on record, for sure, is that Bush and Kubiak limited RS to things he could and couldn't do. That would be tough for a guy like Richard Smith to be around the players at practice, to be holding the clipboard at games, and basically be a Texans version of Milli Vanilli. How do you let a guy retain his dignity when he's told what he can or can't do? That's a statement all by itself. It seems RS was still calling the game, but with boundaries to what he could/couldn't do. Weird.

I mean, I would be a guy who would just say, "You know what? I can go now. If it's so bad that someone else is calling the plays and I'm a puppet, then I need to be on my way. No hard feelings. I knew what I signed on for."

Of course....it might be different if i was approached and told that I would be forfeiting salary if I left, that they wanted to pay me out and that I needed to finish out my term (for the sake of outward appearances and such).

Still, that was NOT RS's defense at around week 11. Then you have that pesky Oakland game where it definitely looked Smithish. LOL. Who knows...

I just know that I'm glad we have a new direction. I hope Richard Smith all the best, though. Can't be an easy job to coach in the NFL.
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Congratulations to Frank Bush. I wish him every success here.

I will not pass judgement till I see a few regular season games and see how the defense actually plays with him as the DC. Until we actually see them play we have no idea how good or bad Bush will be as DC.

We were probably going to have a positional coach as DC anyways as I do not see a DC coming to Houston for the same job he already had on another team. Think most good DC's are interviewing for HC postions and not a lateral move.

I am excited as now we actually have an opportunity to be a much better defense now that Smith is gone. But we have to just wait till next season to find out how good they will be.
Right on, Grams! QFT!

I reckon there's a lot of pulled muscles around here from all the knee-jerkin going on. LOL!

Here's to hoping the "aggressive" and "attacking" translates to the field this season rather than just on a piece of paper in SmithEX-DC's office. Cheers!
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I can understand fans saying they are ok with the Bush promotion. Most saw the writing on the wall when nothing was happening to fill the position. But being excited and/or giddy is what I don't get. We didn't interview anyone else for the job.
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Unfortunately, the media has not ripped this pick yet so it's not quite the Mario situation yet. Let's hope Richard Justice starts ripping this pick. He ripped on Alex Gibbs and look at what happened.
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Such a glass half empty view! Look, it's not about being a homer. It's about giving the guy at least a chance. You, me, nobody here knows if it was the right choice. I'm at least willing to wait and see how he works out.

And you're wrong about the "every DC had to start somewhere argument" being lame. Where was Jim Schwartz coaching before he became DC of the Titans? What about Leslie Frazier? Or Spagnuolo? Frank Bush at least deserves a chance. And the decision was not about the Texans being cheap. They went after Marinelli as a DL coach. He has more of a personal relationship with Lovie Smith, so he chose the Bears. No biggie! The Texans went after Jerry Gray, but were refused the opportunity to talk to him by the Redskins. I didn't want Gregg Williams. Look at what a DC with experience did for the Jaguars defense last season.

Look, you don't have to be happy with the move. That's you opinion and your right. But the guy has 26 years of NFL experience. He's coached every position on the defensive side of the ball. He's saying all the right things right now about what his philosophy will be. Will it work out for the Texans defense? Nobody knows yet. But you can't sit back and call the rest of us homers just because we don't take the negative view of this hiring like you do. Most of us are just willing to give the guy a chance. You should too!
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We did'nt even interview a guy more qualified. Its almost like we did'nt want to because he may be better than what we were hiring. I'm just not very excited to have an assistant from a bottom 3rd ranked defense. Does'nt make me jump for freakin joy.
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We did'nt even interview a guy more qualified. Its almost like we did'nt want to because he may be better than wh we were hiring. I'm just not very excited to have an assistant from a bottom 3rd ranked defense does'nt make me jump for freakin joy.
In my opinion, it's just like Carl Dukes stated yesterday on his show: "Senior Defensive Assistant was just another name for Defensive Coordinator in waiting." I think that it was between Gray and Bush all along. When the Texans were denied permission to speak with Gray, the most logical pick after that was Bush. Plan and simple.
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In my opinion, it's just like Carl Dukes stated yesterday on his show: "Senior Defensive Assistant was just another name for Defensive Coordinator in waiting." I think that it was between Gray and Bush all along. When the Texans were denied permission to speak with Gray, the most logical pick after that was Bush. Plan and simple.
I just don't like such a narrow pool to choose from. There was;nt a rush, take your time and do some homework. The defense was just so bad most of the 2 years Bush was on staff that this situation does'nt sit well with me.
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I'm trying to stay optimistic but I'm getting a really weird feeling about this. I watched some of the interview clip on the main site and was less than impressed. We've been told a couple of times now that the Texans asked to interview Gray but were refused and that Marinelli interviewed for the DL position but Bush was in that interview talking like he'd been picked after a lengthy search and several interviews. Seriously, he said that they interviewed "some guys". Excuse me? You mean like Marinelli and "you" are basically "some guys"?

I think it's pretty clear he was the choice all the way and that Marinelli was being pursued to try and be Frank Bush's "elder mentor" ala Alex Gibbs to Kyle Shanahan. Marinelli was going to kind of hold the bike up while Frank got used to riding it without training wheels.

Clearly babysitting our new DC didn't appeal to Marinelli.

Here's the deal. Bush is the guy and he's telling us exactly what we heard from Richard Smith three years ago. It's almost word for word. To make matters worse he's been here for two of Smith's terrible seasons so he's got the stink of Richard Smith on or about his person. Topping it all off he's got an eerily similar resume to Smith with no participation in a truly excellent unit in there but lots of jobs working for lousy to mediocre defenses.

It doesn't look good to me. I'm going to shut up about it for a while because there's nothing we can do about it and there's no point in griping for 6-7 months. I'm going to think positive and hope for the best but man, Bush is going to have zero room for error. We've all already got our complaints memorized because we used them all on his predecessor. He'd better not roll out a lousy defense next year or he'll be torn to pieces by the fans. We're getting better every year but the patience here is long gone. Results are all any of us really care about at this point.
This pretty much sums up how I feel. I still can't understand why it took 2 weeks and 0 interviews for dc to make this decision.
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This pretty much sums up how I feel. I still can't understand why it took 2 weeks and 0 interviews for dc to make this decision.
Thing is we don't have any idea how much homework and reaching out they did. They may have called Williams and he rebuffed them thinking he is going back to TN. They attempted to talk to Gray and were refused. Marinelli picked the Bears. Who knows, maybe they even talked to McDermott and he doesn't want to leave Philly except for a head coaching gig. Sounds like they initially considered looking at the 3-4 guys and decided they did not want to switch schemes so that eliminated quite a few guys. If they really weren't going to consider anyone else I think they would have just announced Bush from the start.
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Thing is we don't have any idea how much homework and reaching out they did. They may have called Williams and he rebuffed them thinking he is going back to TN. They attempted to talk to Gray and were refused. Marinelli picked the Bears. Who knows, maybe they even talked to McDermott and he doesn't want to leave Philly except for a head coaching gig. Sounds like they initially considered looking at the 3-4 guys and decided they did not want to switch schemes so that eliminated quite a few guys. If they really weren't going to consider anyone else I think they would have just announced Bush from the start.
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Why do you hate so much? So of these coaches out there with experience who would you hire that run a 4-3 and not a 3-4, because Kubiak has stated he wants to continue that route. Ii memory serves you wanted Sean McDermott, who has no DC experience. As far as being happy, unless it is the guy you wanted you would never be happy.

Why is it if someone agrees with what has been done or does not share your opinion they are a homer? I am really interested in your answer for that. You throw that out so much, like it is an insult. I mean I thought that is what a fan of the Houston Texans living in Houston is, a homer, cause he likes the home team.
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