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Old 01-13-2009   #121
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I blame Richard Smith because his defensive philosophy seemed disinterested in disguise or camouflage.
If I remember correctly, Smith wanted to give the same look on every snap. Thus, not giving the QB a pre-snap read. But, who really cares? The defense sucked, and he's gone.

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this was a cheapskate move, through and through. bush was not the best and most qualified man for the job.
You're assuming that Kubiak could lure any better? He's not a proven winner. He's a coach on the hot seat. He can't offer stability. What "big name" coordinator would have signed on for that?
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At least in the interview Bush had a good presence, but he did use that annoying "kid" thing that Kubiak does. Talk about simplifying the defense and being aggressive at the snap of the ball...moving foward versus sideways.
Why is that annoying to some? It never bothers me in the least.
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Perhaps all Bush did was take notes and provide some input whenever asked to. He may not have volunteered to do anything because he may have wanted Capt. Smith of the Fail Boat to fail spectacularly for Kubiak and the FO to see....and offer him the job for 2009.
LOL. "Captain Smith of the Fail Boat."

Niiiiice!

I actually, literally chuckled out loud on that one. Well done.
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Same song, different verse. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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You're assuming that Kubiak could lure any better? He's not a proven winner. He's a coach on the hot seat. He can't offer stability. What "big name" coordinator would have signed on for that?
Are Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes big names? Not as coordinators, but they didn't seem to mind signing up to work with Kubes. Hell I'll even toss in Mike Sherman. I've always gotten the impression that Kubiak has a good rep around the league and is a guy that successful people want to work with.
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Same song, different verse. Hopefully I'm wrong.
It's not. I think some people had expectations way beyond the norm.

Frank Bush was in no way tied to Richard Smith. Just being on the same staff as Richard Smith does not taint or infect Frank Bush.

I wanted McDermott. Maybe the guy wasn't even remotely interested in us. Maybe the money wasn't right. Maybe the Eagles said "No way." Maybe there's something we don't know.

In contrast to my usual "McNair is a tight wad" stance, I don't think THIS hiring was a money problem. I think Kubiak regretted the Richard Smith decision three years ago. He probably regretted it within the first month of the first season.

Kubiak's decision-making seems to be at a glacial pace. Which, can be bad in some ways and good in others. The guy gives people a chance, that's for sure.
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Are Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes big names?
Both had ties to Kubiak. Rhodes was DC in SF when Kubiak was the QB coach. Gibbs & Kubiak worked together in Denver for years.

No one was beating down Ray Rhodes door. And Kubiak was probably the only guy Gibbs would have come out of retirement for. The coordinators on the market weren't FOK (Friends of Kubiak). For all of the reasons I mentioned, there was no good reason to sign on here.
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Both had ties to Kubiak. Rhodes was DC in SF when Kubiak was the QB coach. Gibbs & Kubiak worked together in Denver for years.

No one was beating down Ray Rhodes door. And Kubiak was probably the only guy Gibbs would have come out of retirement for. The coordinators on the market weren't FOK (Friends of Kubiak). For all of the reasons I mentioned, there was no good reason to sign on here.
I'm under the impression that it's a pretty common phenomenon for coaches to hire coordinators and coaches who they've worked with/met before. Not unique to Kubes and Co. I don't think Houston's off the charts in terms of appeal to coordinators, but I don't think our situation is driving anyone away either.
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Much complaining, I sense.

Not satisfied, they are.
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Much complaining, I sense.

Not satisfied, they are.
That is easy for you to say when your son was just hired to the staff.
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Kubes is going the Shanahan route and hiring yes men that keep towing the line instead of bringing something new.

Of course we have no talent to run the 3-4, Tampa-2, or the Jim Johnson defense, so getting a coordinator of little quality isn't shocking
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Jeff Fisher was promoted from within Buddy Ryans ranks, as well as many other fine DC's on other teams.

I think alot of people (including myself) are less than excited about the lack of interviews, but maybe after interviewing Bush they realized he is what they wanted.

I'll wait and see the product on the field next September before casting an opinion.
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That is easy for you to say when your son was just hired to the staff.
I am completely missing what you're trying to say.

I was just offering a bit of Yoda humor. The board is so deflated at the moment.

It's a sad day when GP is cheering people up.
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face it, dude. the texans brass could crap in your hand and you would take it as a gesture of kindness and respect. the next time you are critical of the Texans will probably be the first time.

this was a cheapskate move, through and through. bush was not the best and most qualified man for the job. that is for sure. because of that fact, i don't like the move. it's really that simple. i hope he has great success and proves me wrong but it may be wishful thinking based on his experience as a playcaller much less also a DC.
Wow!! I didn't know you personally interviewed all the potential candidates to determine who the most qualified is. And you don't have an NFL job because why?

I'm ok with Bush because it's Kubiak's neck on the line. I'm ok with Bush not having DC experience because every DC that's ever been has called their first play at one time.

I sure as hell am not going to sit here at my computer in mid-January and act like I know who the better man for the job is or make statements that Bush is a horrible choice, BUT qualify it with the classic "I hope I'm proven wrong" tag. What the hell is that?

Kubiak isn't in the business to lose games. He's going to make choices that help him win, thus keeping him in the business. I'm glad there's been a change, which I think should have been made during the season, but oh well, and I don't care who they hire as long as the results on the field are positive.

It can't get much worse than what we had.

So instead of pretending that I know better than everyone and bashing this guy before a single snap has been taken, but making sure I get my "I'll gladly eat crow" qualifier in there to I don't know, make me feel better when/if I'm wrong?, I'll wait to see what happens on the football field.
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It just occurred to me that there are some parallels between this hire and the Mario Williams pick. Mario wasn't the sexy pick. Mario was seen as a "cheapskate" move by the organization. They could sign him so they took him # 1. Let's face it: a lot of us thought the Mario pick was a disaster.

By the way----the Mario pick was a Kubiak decision. It was a HUGE decision. It was a BOLD decision. It was an unpopular decision.

How did that turn out?
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I am completely missing what you're trying to say.

I was just offering a bit of Yoda humor. The board is so deflated at the moment.

It's a sad day when GP is cheering people up.
Have you ever seen Alex Gibbs and Yoda together? I certainly haven't.
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Jeff Fisher was promoted from within Buddy Ryans ranks, as well as many other fine DC's on other teams.
I remember a lot of upset people when they hired Fisher as the DC and then the HC. Thought they needed a big name/proven coach.

Most people have no clue, myself included. Bush would have made us cheer 2 years ago, and he came into a situation where the defensive playbook was set when he got here. Give him a chance. I think we will be happier this time.
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I remember a lot of upset people when they hired Fisher as the DC and then the HC. Thought they needed a big name/proven coach.

Most people have no clue, myself included. Bush would have made us cheer 2 years ago, and he came into a situation where the defensive playbook was set when he got here. Give him a chance. I think we will be happier this time.

It's safe to say that we're bickering over degrees. Any change was going to make this defense better. That's the good news. The question is, will Bush turn it into a good defense or will we only suck less. We won't know for a while.
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I'm trying to stay optimistic but I'm getting a really weird feeling about this. I watched some of the interview clip on the main site and was less than impressed. We've been told a couple of times now that the Texans asked to interview Gray but were refused and that Marinelli interviewed for the DL position but Bush was in that interview talking like he'd been picked after a lengthy search and several interviews. Seriously, he said that they interviewed "some guys". Excuse me? You mean like Marinelli and "you" are basically "some guys"?

I think it's pretty clear he was the choice all the way and that Marinelli was being pursued to try and be Frank Bush's "elder mentor" ala Alex Gibbs to Kyle Shanahan. Marinelli was going to kind of hold the bike up while Frank got used to riding it without training wheels.

Clearly babysitting our new DC didn't appeal to Marinelli.

Here's the deal. Bush is the guy and he's telling us exactly what we heard from Richard Smith three years ago. It's almost word for word. To make matters worse he's been here for two of Smith's terrible seasons so he's got the stink of Richard Smith on or about his person. Topping it all off he's got an eerily similar resume to Smith with no participation in a truly excellent unit in there but lots of jobs working for lousy to mediocre defenses.

It doesn't look good to me. I'm going to shut up about it for a while because there's nothing we can do about it and there's no point in griping for 6-7 months. I'm going to think positive and hope for the best but man, Bush is going to have zero room for error. We've all already got our complaints memorized because we used them all on his predecessor. He'd better not roll out a lousy defense next year or he'll be torn to pieces by the fans. We're getting better every year but the patience here is long gone. Results are all any of us really care about at this point.
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I remember a lot of upset people when they hired Fisher as the DC and then the HC. Thought they needed a big name/proven coach.

Most people have no clue, myself included. Bush would have made us cheer 2 years ago, and he came into a situation where the defensive playbook was set when he got here. Give him a chance. I think we will be happier this time.
if memory serves me, fisher became interim HC and I though he did a good job for the rest of the season esp with the turmoil that was going with the Oiler organization about Dud moving? Fisher seemed to keep the team focus' and I thought he did a good job. I do remember about 2 seasons into his term, watching the oilers , I was frustrated with his style of keep it close and try to win late. (as a kid it was nerve racking seeing the close games) but my view of his turning point of his career was when Eddie got injured and they had to finally turn Steve loose and the team did ok and when Eddie came back they had a one two punch and Fisher wasn't so relying on Eddie so much and hence help Fisher turn into the coach he is today .. buy I was young so my memory and point of view might be a little off .. I am not saying Fisher opened his playbook and didn't still use the run so much but seemed he trusted McNair more if the time came he had to go to him

who knows, been a long time ago
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