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Old 01-09-2009   #1
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If the Texans had a choice between: Brown DE, Orakpo DE, Mays S, Johnson DE, are Davis CB. Who would you want?

Personally I wouldnt mind Johnson at DE on a pass rush followed by Diles and Adibi. Would love to implement a "balls to the wall" gambling type of defense.

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Orakpo DE
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Default Re: Who would you want?

Tough one.

Of all those, I think Orakpo has the most potential upside - but I think Mays is the closest thing to a sure thing... so I vote:

Taylor Mays.
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My list out of those would be:

1. Orakpo
2. Johnson
3. Mays
4. Brown
5. Davis

I don't like Davis at all.
Brown is undersized, and would be a liability against the run.
Mays is more of an elite athlete than an elite playmaker.
Johnson is an interesiting prospect who can dominate against the run, and pass any time he wants to.
Orakpo is a solid all around player, and hard worker, who can be an elite pass rusher.
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Default Re: Who would you want?

I'm starting to prefer Brown over Orakpo. People knock his size as a 4-3 DE, but he's about the same as Jason Taylor.

Still, Taylor Mays over both. Dude is a centerfielder and a headhunter. If we got Mays I'd trade up to get Greg Hardy.
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Anyone who can help us get a coverage sack would be nice
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I'm starting to prefer Brown over Orakpo. People knock his size as a 4-3 DE, but he's about the same as Jason Taylor.
Taylor played at 260+ before Miami switched to a 3-4, and moved him to OLB. He went to Washington and stunk as a DE at that weight.
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Anyone who can help us get a coverage sack would be nice
Thats the problem with Mays. He's not known for being great in coverage. He's more of a headhunter or enforcer than a cover guy.
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Im gonna say Brown. Orkapoo scares me. UT guys dont have the best track record in recent years, Mays is another one that Im not fond of. Just a feeling.
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Default Re: Who would you want?

Tough one. For me it depends on who the new DC is. I have heartburn with all these players. I really like Sean McDermott from the Eagles. Let's pretend he's the new DC... I could see him taking a S like Mays b/c he uses safety blitzes a decent amount and Mays would instantly be our best safety. But Brown could be a good possibility. If he's convinced Brown could play 4-3 OLB and then bring him up to the line on passing downs as a 5th linemen or something.

How is E. Brown in coverage as a part time LB?
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Tough one. For me it depends on who the new DC is. I have heartburn with all these players. I really like Sean McDermott from the Eagles. Let's pretend he's the new DC... I could see him taking a S like Mays b/c he uses safety blitzes a decent amount and Mays would instantly be our best safety. But Brown could be a good possibility. If he's convinced Brown could play 4-3 OLB and then bring him up to the line on passing downs as a 5th linemen or something.

How is E. Brown in coverage as a part time LB?
I think it boils down to this .

1. Taylor Mays S
2. Matt Schaunessy DE

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1. Everette Brown
2. Patrick Chung
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Michael JOhnson has a lot of motivational issues and lacks effort a lot.

That is what all the write ups say any way. He seems to have a strong reputation for taking plays off.

I don't want a guy like that.
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I think it boils down to this .

1. Taylor Mays S
2. Matt Schaunessy DE

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1. Everette Brown
2. Patrick Chung
Yup

Give me Brown & Chung

Orakpo is to injury prone for my taste.

I love Mays but the drop off between Brown & Shaunessy is far greater than the dropoff between Mays & Chung

If Raji is there & Marinelli is the DL coach I think Smithiak will strongly consider him also.
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Michael JOhnson has a lot of motivational issues and lacks effort a lot.

That is what all the write ups say any way. He seems to have a strong reputation for taking plays off.

I don't want a guy like that.
I've read where he can't keep his weight on either .
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Everette Brown
Taylor Mays
Vontae Davis
Brian Orakpo
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Im gonna say Brown. Orkapoo scares me. UT guys dont have the best track record in recent years, Mays is another one that Im not fond of. Just a feeling.
Pretty much every guy that was on the 05 championship team besides VY and Huff has played well in the NFL. Orakpo was on that team.
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Pretty much every guy that was on the 05 championship team besides VY and Huff has played well in the NFL. Orakpo was on that team.
Was'nt Okam? UT guys in the 1st round have been very iffy the last 5ish years. Im not just making this up. Roy Williams, Ced Bensen, VY, Huff, even Shaun Rodgers is inconsistant. Their guys who were taken later are the gems.
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Tough one.

Of all those, I think Orakpo has the most potential upside - but I think Mays is the closest thing to a sure thing... so I vote:

Taylor Mays.
I'd go Orakpo thinking that as a DE he could disrupt a pass or aid in stopping the run. I really like Mays and agree with your assessment as a "sure thing". As noted, If Mays is at 15 I think we can work a trade down and get a 3rd and a 6th or better. I would take trade over Mays but am unsure if trade is worth more to me than Orakpo.
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Was'nt Okam? UT guys in the 1st round have been very iffy the last 5ish years. Im not just making this up. Roy Williams, Ced Bensen, VY, Huff, even Shaun Rodgers is inconsistant. Their guys who were taken later are the gems.
Okam hasn't been given a chance yet. It's too early to grade him.

Roy Williams was the best player on terrible teams for years with Detroit. Didn't get much help at QB.

I will give you Benson. Plus i already mentioned VY and Huff. Benson looked good for the Bengals late this year, but that isn't enough to override the beginning of his career.

Rodgers is inconsistent, but he is a good player. Nobody doubts that.

Aaron Ross is a good player for the Giants. Michael Griffin is one of the best players on an awesome Titans defense.
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if Marinelli is hired as D-Line coach precedent was made last year with Gibbs, that the Texans will address the line with bpa given the bpv (best possible value). meaning if their #1 linemen isn't still on the board @ #15 they trade down & draft a player with measureables, package of skills, mental make-up & athletic ability to fit the scheme he wants to implant here in Houston.

evaluations will commence of current roster, gaps to fill, whats missing in coaching or skill technique/scheme. TJ could become more disruptive, its not uncommon that DT's take time to develop not to mention this will be his third scheme change in four years. similar situation with Amobi going into year three in his second scheme adjustment. Players like Deljuan Robinson, Tim Bulman & Jesse Nading flashed upside.

last but not least Mario Williams, drafted to play RDE, versatile to play either side, requiring double teams. draft a freakish compliment with both size & speed who can flip as well would give the Texans excellent depth, flexability & talent across the DL. so I would suggest none of the above. instead trade down & draft Greg Hardy late 1st rd. & pick up another Steve Slaton in the 3rd. thereby addressing needs on both sides of the ball then everyone can be happy
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