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Old 01-07-2009   #1
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Default Texans for Taylor Mays 09'

Too big, too fast, and to angry to pass up. This is just what the Texans need lurking the secondary. If Mr. Mays is available and the Texans pass, it could be monumental. Trade up into the draft if you have too! Would mean to the Texans D, as John Lynch meant to the Broncos for years! Since our coming into the league, we have only two players that other teams fear and scheme against. Johnson and Williams. This would give the Texans another player maker on the defensive side of the ball and prevent air-attack teams from challenging the secondary.
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Default Re: Texans for Taylor Mays 09'

There are a few guys at 15 that I wouldn't complain about us getting. Mays is one of them.
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Default Re: Texans for Taylor Mays 09'

He will be this years Sean Taylor. Everyone will want him, but after the combine, he wont get past 10.

And with Denver at 12 I think they would be a prime candidate to draft him.
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There are a few guys at 15 that I wouldn't complain about us getting. Mays is one of them.
I'm only going Safety or LB. Our track record with D-Line has not been that great. I believe with a creative D-Coor, we can right the ship on the D-Line. But without an adequate secondary, we're dead in the water!
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Default Re: Texans for Taylor Mays 09'

I want to go Safety with our 1st pick more than most, but that said, I don't know why people are so high on Mays. Honestly, Im curious here.

I know almost nothing about him, other than what his stats indicate.
4 career interceptions over 3 years playing at USC?

USC plays a lot of bad teams and is usually ahead in games. That means a lot of pass opportunities. 4 INTs over 3 years doesn't sound like much of a ballhawk
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He will be this years Sean Taylor. Everyone will want him, but after the combine, he wont get past 10.

And with Denver at 12 I think they would be a prime candidate to draft him.
I would trade the house! You can't pass on a guy like that. If we are willing to give away picks for Schaub, why would they not want to give up picks for a 6'3", 225lbs, 4.28- 40, heat seeking rocket!
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Default Re: Texans for Taylor Mays 09'

I can't even wrap my head around the upcoming draft just yet...

Since Kubiak has gotten here he's taken guys that I didn't expect him to take....

Honestly I'm not as concerned with what we do with our first rd. pick as I am with what we do with our second and third....

Sitting at 15 I don't think we'll have a shot at Mays, Mauluga, or Orakpo...Just not seeing that come draft day...
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I want to go Safety with our 1st pick more than most, but that said, I don't know why people are so high on Mays. Honestly, Im curious here.

I know almost nothing about him, other than what his stats indicate.
4 career interceptions over 3 years playing at USC?

USC plays a lot of bad teams and is usually ahead in games. That means a lot of pass opportunities. 4 INTs over 3 years doesn't sound like much of a ballhawk
I agree about his stats, but stats can lie. Why would you throw in the direction of a guy that talented? Sometimes your stats are horrible, due to no one challenging you. He does have some limitations in coverage, but he's there to challenge the WR's and TE's, not stay in their back pocket. He's no Ed Reid or Palamalu, but he's not Roy Williams Either! Can you imagine bringing him in the box on run situations also? My oh my....the packages that can be run!
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Mays is a good ball player...I wouldn't get too caught up in his stats because Kubes Mantra seems to be to take the best athletes and coach them up into good ball players...

At Mays' size with his athletic ability I can't see Kubiak passing on him....But like I said, I don't see us having a shot at him...If he's a workout warrior he'll probably go top ten...
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I can't even wrap my head around the upcoming draft just yet...

Since Kubiak has gotten here he's taken guys that I didn't expect him to take....

Honestly I'm not as concerned with what we do with our first rd. pick as I am with what we do with our second and third....

Sitting at 15 I don't think we'll have a shot at Mays, Mauluga, or Orakpo...Just not seeing that come draft day...
This team is close. Those later round picks are going to be important though. Depth. Guys like Adibi and Diles are playing well over their expected contributions, but they are not legit starters! There will be value for OLB in the 2nd round!
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Mays is a good ball player...I wouldn't get too caught up in his stats because Kubes Mantra seems to be to take the best athletes and coach them up into good ball players...

At Mays' size with his athletic ability I can't see Kubiak passing on him....But like I said, I don't see us having a shot at him...If he's a workout warrior he'll probably go top ten...
I hear ya! Let's just pray they open up the trade scenario!
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I agree about his stats, but stats can lie. Why would you throw in the direction of a guy that talented? Sometimes your stats are horrible, due to no one challenging you. He does have some limitations in coverage, but he's there to challenge the WR's and TE's, not stay in their back pocket. He's no Ed Reid or Palamalu, but he's not Roy Williams Either! Can you imagine bringing him in the box on run situations also? My oh my....the packages that can be run!
That being said, would you compare him to a guy like a Bob Sanders who isn't exactly a ball hawk safety, but a run stopping beast from hell? Because I would take a guy like Bob Sanders in a NY second.

I think Mays is intriguing as well. But I think that Polo is right and Denver seems like a prime candidate to get him. I'm with you though I don't think our track record is to good on picking D Lineman in the first round, but I would still go after a DE because we need one way to much. I just don't want to draft another DT.
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You may have already seen this clip, but if you haven't you'll see why he may not be around at 15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33...eature=related
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You may have already seen this clip, but if you haven't you'll see why he may not be around at 15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLD33...eature=related
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That being said, would you compare him to a guy like a Bob Sanders who isn't exactly a ball hawk safety, but a run stopping beast from hell? Because I would take a guy like Bob Sanders in a NY second.

I think Mays is intriguing as well. But I think that Polo is right and Denver seems like a prime candidate to get him. I'm with you though I don't think our track record is to good on picking D Lineman in the first round, but I would still go after a DE because we need one way to much. I just don't want to draft another DT.
That's what I'm talking about. If you can get a Bob Sanders clone, with more size and speed. Put him in a Tampa-2 or blitzing 4-3......My Goodness. He is my dream safety. Actually I would think he is more of a Brian Dawkins!
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I want to be excited about Mays, but I keep hearing noise about him not being that good in pass coverage. We've already had a couple of safeties who were really good at stopping the run, and really bad at pass coverage.

Not that Mays would be really bad at coverage - I'm just kind of scared.

Plus - I'm a big subscriber to the thought that you build defense from the front back. It's not like we only have one hole on the d-line... we have at LEAST two, possibly three if Okoye doesn't get his butt in gear.

I dunno. I'm really torn. We could get a REALLY nice player at 15... but we may also trade down again.
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Default Re: Texans for Taylor Mays 09'

What's wrong with moving back and picking up William Moore? Look at the Texans recent draft history. We always make the best picks in the middle rounds. I say trade back if we can and pick up some OL help and a compliment to Slaton.

Mays may be a good player...
But I want MOORE in '09!
(as in William Moore and more draft picks if y'all didn't catch it)
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What's wrong with moving back and picking up William Moore? Look at the Texans recent draft history. We always make the best picks in the middle rounds. I say trade back if we can and pick up some OL help and a compliment to Slaton.

Mays may be a good player...
But I want MOORE in '09!
(as in William Moore and more draft picks if y'all didn't catch it)
I have no problem with moving back for more picks and still getting a hammer safety. Better that than trade picks to move up.
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I really dislike the fact that as a casual fan, you can't watch the secondary (college or pro). Once they show the secondary, it's pretty much too late to tell you much + you don't know what assignments were called. More often than not safeties are blamed for CB's mistakes and CB's are blamed for S mistakes.

I havn't gotten to see much of Mays and I think he's a big case of "he's been then #1 safety for a long time and everybody is trying to point out flaws". I think his measurables are off the charts... but that can often be a big distraction. If he is the real deal, I would love to have him on this team, especially if our new DC knows a lot about the secondary.

He's probably gone before hand though seeing how Malcolm Jenkins, Vontae Davis and he are the top secondary players in the draft. I can see Denver or even New Orleans taking him. If Oakland gets rid of Huff, they may even be in the running if they're dumb enough to pass on a LT.
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I would trade the house! You can't pass on a guy like that. If we are willing to give away picks for Schaub, why would they not want to give up picks for a 6'3", 225lbs, 4.28- 40, heat seeking rocket!
Because we have other needs other than safety. We can't trade away picksto fill one need when those other picks could help us as well
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