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Old 01-07-2005   #21
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eh.. we were supposed to have taken a step towards becoming a contender at the end of the season. Remember all the pretty qoutes after the Jags game? Our offense and defense has really come together.. our defense is finally understanding how the system works.. we arent good enough to take anyone lightly.. so on and so forth. Here we are on an 11 quarter streak with no opponent scoring a TD and only one of them scoring a field goal.. and we buckle.

The browns game just showed that we were no where near where we claimed to be.
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Simplistic reasoning again -- and even that's a little flawed. You make it sound like presto, change-o, 4-12 to 12-4 -- it was that easy! But you fail to recognize that it took nine long years to go from the heights and then plummet to the dregs and slowly climb out again. It takes a long, long time to go from level to level in the NFL -- something a lot of folks around here seem to have a problem fathoming. And as for Seau, it wasn't like he was released because he couldn't cut it anymore, now, was he?
It takes about 3 years to turn an existing franchise around. I think it takes about 5 years to totally build one from scratch. We are going into year 4. We are right on pace.

Seau was released because he wasn't cutting it anymore? Yes, that is pretty accurate. He lost a step and was part of why the Chargers defense was getting old and exploited. His big complaint his last years at SD was he busted his assignments too often trying to do too much and he wasn't the player he was before so the results were not the same.
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So now your telling me that after one win against a mediocre team in chicago and a great performance in a divisional rivalry that we were a step closer to the playoffs. Does that mean that Miami is a step closer because they beat thier division rilvals the PATs. So you changed your expectaions based on that principal and are now disappointed because they only met your original expectations and not your new found hope based on 8 quarters of football. but 4 quarters is enough to get you dicouraged and say we have barely progressed. One bad last game of the season you did a complete 180 on your expectation.

Hey a bandwagon is coming by better jump on!!!!!!
We COULD have been a step closer to the playoffs but the Browns game brought me to my senses. Yes, I changed my expectations based on the fact that we were 7-8 and had a home game against a team that had lost nine games in a row, was mailing it in and was a 10-point underdog. Forgive me for expecting a win -- I guess I should have known better after watching this same team get drubbed by the Bengals in their first year after being favored in similar fashion. Yes, one bad last game of the season made me reassess the situation. It's called a dose of reality. You might try one tonight before you hit the hay. :cat:
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Experiencing the ups and downs of the NFL and realizing how hard it is and how long it takes to move from level to level is very relevant.

For who? The owner.....Half the team isn't around after years and years of up and down nor are the coaches or gms for a particular team in today's NFL.
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It takes about 3 years to turn an existing franchise around. I think it takes about 5 years to totally build one from scratch. We are going into year 4. We are right on pace.

Seau was released because he wasn't cutting it anymore? Yes, that is pretty accurate. He lost a step and was part of why the Chargers defense was getting old and exploited. His big complaint his last years at SD was he busted his assignments too often trying to do too much and he wasn't the player he was before so the results were not the same.
Uh, three years ago, the Texans franchise wasn't even "existing!" You seem to forget that "The Team" is barely out of its cradle. And even you admit it takes five years to build one from scratch. It seems to me that you are just too impatient. Oh, and the last time I heard, Seau is still in the NFL -- at a pretty nice salary, as I recall.
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Uh, three years ago, the Texans franchise wasn't even "existing!" You seem to forget that "The Team" is barely out of its cradle. And even you admit it takes five years to build one from scratch. It seems to me that you are just too impatient.
Too impatient for what? Do you even know what my position is on this topic? Also, what makes you think I don't know we are an expansion team?

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Oh, and the last time I heard, Seau is still in the NFL -- at a pretty nice salary, as I recall.
So is Vinny Testaverde. So what?
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Experiencing the ups and downs of the NFL and realizing how hard it is and how long it takes to move from level to level is very relevant.

For who? The owner.....Half the team isn't around after years and years of up and down nor are the coaches or gms for a particular team in today's NFL.
Half the team isn't around, I may grant you that. But half of it IS around. And the coaches who are around are still dealing with both tangibles and intangibles that were there before they came in and were instituted years and years ago. Don't underestimate the history and heritage of a franchise -- it is very relevant to the teams you see on the field today.
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eh.. we were supposed to have taken a step towards becoming a contender at the end of the season. Remember all the pretty qoutes after the Jags game? Our offense and defense has really come together.. our defense is finally understanding how the system works.. we arent good enough to take anyone lightly.. so on and so forth. Here we are on an 11 quarter streak with no opponent scoring a TD and only one of them scoring a field goal.. and we buckle.

The browns game just showed that we were no where near where we claimed to be.
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We COULD have been a step closer to the playoffs but the Browns game brought me to my senses. Yes, I changed my expectations based on the fact that we were 7-8 and had a home game against a team that had lost nine games in a row, was mailing it in and was a 10-point underdog. Forgive me for expecting a win -- I guess I should have known better after watching this same team get drubbed by the Bengals in their first year after being favored in similar fashion. Yes, one bad last game of the season made me reassess the situation. It's called a dose of reality. You might try one tonight before you hit the hay. :cat:
So if the PATs would have lost to Miami the last game of the season should we have taken them out of the playoffs, the idea of a team that has only been around 3 years brings inconsistancy. Everything about the team is new, they have not had a lot of time to adjust to the system, that is why they shutout a playoff conteder and then loose to the browns. If you did not realize that that would still be happening in the third year of existance you would not have believed at the beginning of the year that they would go 7-9 because we really didn't face 9 teams with better talent. The texans have a lot of talent but they are just inconsistant wich is why they are an EXPANISION team. You saw two games that could very well signal what is to come next year if we can clear away some of the inconsistancies the texans have. then just because they lost to a brows team that was "mailing it in" (I guess in some universe far far away that means the same thing as an interim head coach trying to keep his job, and a team trying not to set a record for most consecutive losses) thier whole season is now a failure.
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Hell I already read it and I loved it. I think all the nay-sayers ought to read that article.
Maybe you better re-read it...it sure doesn't paint any kind of "rosy" picture...see "ineptitude for 3-plus hours" or "Thatís ineptitude at its finest". I agree with his analysis that a win / loss in the Cleveland game (in and of itself) wasn't that big of a deal one way or the other.

One quote (from VOTF) that puzzled me was this: "The million-dollar question is whether it's scheme, personnel or a combination of both." That sure sounds like we're only talking about the players and leaving no responsibility for any of this on the coaches. This team played absolutely FLAT in 25% of its games this year - that sounds like a coaching issue to me.

Oh well, there's always next year.....
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eh.. we were supposed to have taken a step towards becoming a contender at the end of the season. Remember all the pretty qoutes after the Jags game? Our offense and defense has really come together.. our defense is finally understanding how the system works.. we arent good enough to take anyone lightly.. so on and so forth. Here we are on an 11 quarter streak with no opponent scoring a TD and only one of them scoring a field goal.. and we buckle.

The browns game just showed that we were no where near where we claimed to be.

The Browns game wasn't the deciding factor on whether or not we were playoff ready. To me it happened the first week of November and I knew we weren't playoff ready. What happened that week? well we went on a streak of 4 out of 5 wins in a row (Oakland,K.C.Tennesse and Jacksonville (lost to Minnesota)) and the media comes out and mentions the dreaded "playoff" word.. Wins sugarcoat things (i.e. lack of passrush,stopping the run, and giving up 3rd down conversions)..and when the media mentioned the "P" word things got buzzing in Houston.. Well we play 2 playoff bound teams in a row at,at their place mind you and get blown out by a combo of 80-27 (denver and indy) ... that is when I knew we weren't playoff ready.. it wasn't just the Browns game
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I think we're putting way too much emphasis on a single game here, mostly just because it was the last game of the season. I don't think winning 2 more next year is too much to ask. I'm not even asking for play-offs, necessarilly. I just want more wins next year than losses.

There's something else here too. We're looking at this season as if this season should tell us what to expect from this team next year. That's like grading on an extremely friendly curve there. The worse they do, the easier we grade them? I'm not saying they did that bad this year, but I'm looking at what I really think we should expect from a 4th year team (who is supposedly going somewhere), regardless of what they've done the past 3 years. All this year, I was expecting 8 wins, but thought 7 would be exceptable. I really never changed my opinion of that. When they were 4-3, I thought they might to much better (maybe even 10 wins), but I never changed my mind about what I expected. It was always 8, but 7 gets a passing grade. If this team wins 8 games next year, I will not feel like my statements here were wrong. I will feel like my expectations were not met and that this team is not progressing enough to be sure about everyone's job--I mean, if it were up to me, which it's not, anyway, lol. Maybe I'll buy it when I'm a billionaire next year. Yeah, that'd be cool.

If this team had won 5 games this year, I would still expect 9 next year, assuming they kept the GM and All the same coaches (which I would be wailing for them not to do). Year after next, I expect playoffs. Don't matter what they do next year. Playoffs or bust in the 5th year and they better at least compete in the first round, if not win it. It's a five year plan. I expect to have a GOOD team in 5 years time.

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The Browns game wasn't the deciding factor on whether or not we were playoff ready. To me it happened the first week of November and I knew we weren't playoff ready. What happened that week? well we went on a streak of 4 out of 5 wins in a row (Oakland,K.C.Tennesse and Jacksonville (lost to Minnesota)) and the media comes out and mentions the dreaded "playoff" word.. Wins sugarcoat things (i.e. lack of passrush,stopping the run, and giving up 3rd down conversions)..and when the media mentioned the "P" word things got buzzing in Houston.. Well we play 2 playoff bound teams in a row at,at their place mind you and get blown out by a combo of 80-27 (denver and indy) ... that is when I knew we weren't playoff ready.. it wasn't just the Browns game
I think you are confusing being playoff contenders this year with being contenders next year. Yes, some folks were talking playoffs for this year for awhile. That idea was snuffed out after the Denver, Indy and NYJ games. Then after the Bears and Jax games, we honestly began to think, "Well, maybe NEXT year!" The Browns game did that idea in.
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I think we're putting way too much emphasis on a single game here, mostly just because it was the last game of the season. I don't think winning 2 more next year is too much to ask. I'm not even asking for play-offs, necessarilly. I just want more wins next year than losses.

There's something else here too. We're looking at this season as if this season should tell us what to expect from this team next year. That's like grading on an extremely friendly curve there. The worse they do, the easier we grade them? I'm not saying they did that bad this year, but I'm looking at what I really think we should expect from a 4th year team (who is supposedly going somewhere), regardless of what they've done the past 3 years. All this year, I was expecting 8 wins, but thought 7 would be exceptable. I really never changed my opinion of that. When they were 4-3, I thought they might to much better (maybe even 10 wins), but I never changed my mind about what I expected. It was always 8, but 7 gets a passing grade. If this team wins 8 games next year, I will not feel like my statements here were wrong. I will feel like my expectations were not met and that this team is not progressing enough to be sure about everyone's job--I mean, if it were up to me, which it's not, anyway, lol. Maybe I'll buy it when I'm a billionaire next year. Yeah, that'd be cool.
If we are putting too much emphasis on it, then so are the players. The players themselves were saying how important a win was before the game on Sunday, how they would go into next season with the taste of that game in their mouths. They are still saying that to this day. So if the players are doing it, I don't see anything wrong with us doing it as well. I personally doubt there are a lot of players walking around talking about playoffs next year after last week's debacle.
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I personally doubt there are a lot of players walking around talking about playoffs next year after last week's debacle.
That's pretty much what all the Texan players will be talking about next year. If you are a fan you should be encouraged by that.
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Everyone is putting too much weight on the Browns game. We lost a game we were supposed to win, we came out flat. that doesn't mean that the other 15 games meant nothing.

Get over the browns game people it was 1 game. 1 loss. its not the end of the world.
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I think you are confusing being playoff contenders this year with being contenders next year. Yes, some folks were talking playoffs for this year for awhile. That idea was snuffed out after the Denver, Indy and NYJ games. Then after the Bears and Jax games, we honestly began to think, "Well, maybe NEXT year!" The Browns game did that idea in.
nope, strickly talking this year. the P word was thrown around in Oct. by the media and even heard some mentioned by the Texans. (it was thrown around as in a possiblity and not necessarily that we were going to make it)

At that time Carr was in the top 10 on QB ratings and AJ was kicking some tail.
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nope, strickly talking this year. the P word was thrown around in Oct. by the media and even heard some mentioned by the Texans. (it was thrown around as in a possiblity and not necessarily that we were going to make it)

At that time Carr was in the top 10 on QB ratings and AJ was kicking some tail.
This year's over and history. Can't do anything about this past year.
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Everyone is putting too much weight on the Browns game. We lost a game we were supposed to win, we came out flat. that doesn't mean that the other 15 games meant nothing.

Get over the browns game people it was 1 game. 1 loss. its not the end of the world.
It was more than just one loss. It showed that we were weak against a weak team and that we will not be able to hide from our sore spots this coming season. This last game will carry over into training camp -- and it's not me who is saying that, it's the players. This game was much, much bigger than the other 15 games. If you don't believe me, ask the players. They may not say that now because they lost. But look at what they said before the game.
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That's pretty much what all the Texan players will be talking about next year.
I sincerely doubt that. They may be HOPING to make the playoffs, but I doubt they'll be seriously discussing it. Same for me -- I will be HOPING they make it, but not expecting it.
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