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Guys if one of the top QB's such as Sam Bradford or let's say Mark Sanchez fall to us #15 should we take a hard look at them or are we satisfied with QB Matt Schaub and his health issues and prone mistakes during clutch situations that cost us games this season. I know that DE, OLB, DT & Safety are the Texans biggest needs going into the draft but to pass on a sure fire franchise QB Like Sanchez who has played in the West Coast system while in college is really attractive if he falls to #15 spot.



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Why I'm I drunk? Matt Schaub hasn't proved he is a franchise QB yet and why is it such a bad thought when this guy is constantly hurt and has to fight a journeyman QB like Sage Rosenfels to keep his job and some of you guys were calling for him to replace Matt Schaub as the starter? I'm not saying that Matt isn't developing but how long do we have to wait for this guy to live up to the contract that was given to him before we have to go into another direction.

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I'm sorry i'm not sold on Matt Schaub just yet and he might grow into that player he has the tools but I question his leadership skills and his descision making in crucial points in games.
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Guys if one of the top QB's such as Sam Bradford or let's say Mark Sanchez fall to us #15 should we take a hard look at them or are we satisfied with QB Matt Schaub and his health issues and prone mistakes during clutch situations that cost us games this season. I know that DE, OLB, DT & Safety are the Texans biggest needs going into the draft but to pass on a sure fire franchise QB Like Sanchez who has played in the West Coast system while in college is really attractive if he falls to #15 spot.
You don't think Sam Bradford or Mark Sanchez would make any mistakes?

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Bradford yes Sanchez no. Simply becasue I dont think Sanchez is a franchise QB. Bradford IMO is. I dont see any way Bradford falls to us but if he did I would snatch him up in a heart beat. There is no more valuable comodity in the NFL than a franchise QB. Keep him for a year and develop him then trade the less talented one for multiple future picks.

Once again I only do this because I believe he is a franchise QB. You dont pass up a franchise QB which is why he will never fall to 15.
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I'm sorry i'm not sold on Matt Schaub just yet and he might grow into that player he has the tools but I question his leadership skills and his descision making in crucial points in games.
He finished the season with a passer rating of 93, which puts him about 7 overall, ahead of guys like: Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler, McNabb, Eli Manning, Rothlisburger....

In his second season as a starter, he showed dramatic improvement in almost every area. The coaches and players believe in him. Since the Miami game, I believe he's thrown 10 TDs and 3 interceptions. He gets rid of the ball to avoid sacks. He completes 66% of his passes. He threw for more big plays in 11 games than Peyton did in 16 games. He proved against Green Bay and Tennessee that he can take hits. Schaub is clearly better than the majority of NFL starters and he's still young and improving. I'm not sure what it would take for you to be "sold" on him... I'm guessing you were a VY guy, huh?
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I would love Sanchez in the 6th for the Texans. Outside of that I see no value.
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He finished the season with a passer rating of 93, which puts him about 7 overall, ahead of guys like: Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler, McNabb, Eli Manning, Rothlisburger....

In his second season as a starter, he showed dramatic improvement in almost every area. The coaches and players believe in him. Since the Miami game, I believe he's thrown 10 TDs and 3 interceptions. He gets rid of the ball to avoid sacks. He completes 66% of his passes. He threw for more big plays in 11 games than Peyton did in 16 games. He proved against Green Bay and Tennessee that he can take hits. Schaub is clearly better than the majority of NFL starters and he's still young and improving. I'm not sure what it would take for you to be "sold" on him... I'm guessing you were a VY guy, huh?
I like VY but I know that he isn't a good QB right now either but one thing about VY he did take his team to the Playoffs and they have no wr's on that team. I think that a lot people get turned on by stats but he was playing poor as hell at the beginning of the season that is the reason we didn't make the playoffs. Sure he played well down the stretch I give him credit but he still hasn't proved that he can stay healthy and play consistant for full season to say we don't need another very good option at QB.


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Guys i'm not saying to use the #1 pick and to reach on a QB but Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman & Sam Bradford will have a major impact on the first round and depending on Freeman & Sanchez's workouts one of the QB's will fall Like Daunte Culpepper, Ben Rothlisberger & Jay Cutler fell out of the top 10. Bradford has the weakest arm out of them all so he could fall as well.
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We don't need a 1st round QB, Schuab has impoved over the 2 years he's been here and I think the team has more glaring needs. Maybe some help in the secondary or another pass rusher to play opposite Mario
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Guys if one of the top QB's such as Sam Bradford or let's say Mark Sanchez fall to us #15 should we take a hard look at them or are we satisfied with QB Matt Schaub and his health issues and prone mistakes during clutch situations that cost us games this season. I know that DE, OLB, DT & Safety are the Texans biggest needs going into the draft but to pass on a sure fire franchise QB Like Sanchez who has played in the West Coast system while in college is really attractive if he falls to #15 spot.



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Height: 6'2"
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Position Rank: 3


QB Rating:164.64 Passing Yards: 3,207 TD's: 34


Both of those guys are going to be gone before the 3rd round and if the Texans waste anything more than a 4th on a QB they are making a mistake. They have too many other areas that need to be addressed before a project QB can be picked up.
You can complain about Schaubs issues with turnovers but I think "health issues" is a bit of a strech. Almost all of his "health issues" were the result of a cheap shot or getting Teed off on. Most QB's would end up the same way.
How do you know the Sanchez is a franchise QB? Look at what happened to the last 'SC phenom, he is really tearing up the league from the bench. USC collects great talent in all positions that is why his stats are off the charts. Great receivers, great linemen in a pass happy offense can make most QBs look good.
I think trying to start over again at the QB position is a waste of time. Our offense was what? In the top 5? I am happy with that for now. We need to pull our defense out of the gutter to be solid contenders. If our draft is anything other than DL, DB, LB (in any order) in the first three rounds we will be wasting time.
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Why would the Texans want to replace Schaub?
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The only way we draft a Qb is if we get rid of rosenfels, and we still won't draft one until at least the 4th. This teams needs defense bad and will probably draft a D player three out of the first four rounds. Matt improved throughout the season. His only drawback is the amount of games he misses. Now, if Matt misses a significant amount of games next year then the Texans are gonna have to go a different direction. But as of right now, they should stick with Matt.

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The offense is starting to roll. In one year we went from 22nd in running to 13th. We went from 11th in passing to 4th. However, we dropped from 12th in scoring to 17th. Next year will be our second year using the ZBS and Iím certain weíll improve on that scoring stat, and maybe even the other two.

I donít think we need to be spending a high draft choice on a QB when we have a serviceable QB as it is. We need to get our defense up to speed. You win championships with defense. We went from 24th in over all defense to 22nd, and both last year and this year we averaged giving up 24 points a game. At this time itís more important to fix the defense.

Certainly that starts with hiring a good DC, but it also starts with patching a few glaring holes in the defensive line and backfield. A good offense will get you into the playoffs, but without a good defense you won't last long in post season play.
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You can complain about Schaubs issues with turnovers but I think "health issues" is a bit of a strech. Almost all of his "health issues" were the result of a cheap shot or getting Teed off on. Most QB's would end up the same way.

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If you're saying that Schaub hasn't proved to be a franchise QB, then why would you suggest drafting one? Obviously any rookie out there hasn't proven anything either. By the way we have already tried that ''drafting a franchise QB in the 1st round'' method before. It didn't work out so well for us.

Schaub has played about a season and a half, and IMO he's coming nicely. And, as mentioned, we have too many holes on this team to be drafting a project in round 1. We need someone who can come in and make an impact on defense, IMO.
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I wouldn't be so quick to discount the Texans selecting a QB early as well. Why I think that way is because of the money involved. Would Schaub be worth the 10+ million that he's going to want when his contract is up after the season. Money may be a factor in getting this guy resigned.

We also have to remember that Kubiak selected a QB last season which stunned many of us. There had to be some underlying reason why he did that. Maybe it had nothing to do with Sage Rosenfels possibly being traded or whatever. I firmly believe that we had no reason to think that we would be needing a QB after Rosenfels strung together a few wins in 2007. Kubiak had a different strategy and plan obviously.

I'll be fine with keeping Matt Schaub as well. I like the guy. I love his composure and his obvious leadership skills inside the huddle but he does have his fair share of problems. The amount of passing yards that the Texans have wasn't from Schaub making a great throw time again and again. It's from the Texans' playcalling. Kinda like a Chad Pennington being thrown into the perfect system for his abilities and Chad's definitely used that to his advantage.

Someone stated that Schaub isn't injury prone but rather injured by malicious hits. I don't know. It sure seems like Matt Schaub has a magnet on his back for defenders. Teams/players may be set out to attack Schaub in any way possible no matter the repercussions. Does a team really want a QB like that? I remember an interview by Albert Haynesworth (I believe?) where he would say that for some reason he gets extra motivated when he faces David Carr and that feeling had carried over to Schaub since he still wears the same number (Keep in mind, this is NOT a direct quote. It's just something that I seemed to remember but I could be wrong.). Just scary having a QB who everyone just seems to want to destroy.

I just don't think that selecting a QB in the draft would be all that shocking to me this time around. Even if one was selected in the first round. I don't think it'll happen. I just wouldn't be stunned is all. There are many questions that need to be approached.

Eh. I don't really care much who our QB is. I just want to win.
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