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Old 01-03-2009   #1
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If Mike Shanahan chooses to coach next season, the Texans could lose their offensive coordinator for the third consecutive season. It's no secret that Mike Shanahan wants to coach with his son, Texans offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, at some point. He coached receivers and quarterbacks in his first two seasons under Gary Kubiak before he was elevated to offensive coordinator last season in place of Mike Sherman (Texas A&M), who had replaced Troy Calhoun (Air Force).

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It was my very first reaction when I heard Shanny Sr. was fired. I thought either Jr might go to Denver to join their offensive staff, or he'd follow his dad if he got a job.

This was always inevitable. I think the BEST we can hope for is that Shanny Sr takes a yeear off, because if he takes a job for 09, he'll definitely want Jr with him... but I think there's a fairly good chance that even if Sr coaches next year - Kyle will stick around w/ the Texans for one season, then join him in '10.

Sigh. I want Kyle to stay and learn a few years - but if he can do the same thing under his dad, and that's what they both want - why wouldn't he?
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My guess is that he doesn't coach with his dad just yet. He hasn't even had the chance to be a full-time offensive coordinator so I think he'll stay here for at least a year until he leaves to go with his dad.
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Softball article to attract eyeballs. However, I wonder if Neoptism will be an issue with a Kyle Shanahan hiring, dependent upon the State and the entity's laws/policies.
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Softball article to attract eyeballs. However, I wonder if Neoptism will be an issue with a Mike Shanahan hiring, dependent upon the State and the entity's laws/policies.
I disagree. It's a very legitimate topic. Sr and Jr have always said they wanted to work together, so with Sr moving on, it's a legit question to raise... one I raised myself on this board the second I heard the news about Sr's firing.
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My guess is that he doesn't coach with his dad just yet. He hasn't even had the chance to be a full-time offensive coordinator so I think he'll stay here for at least a year until he leaves to go with his dad.
That's my guess. A lot of times when fathers and sons are in the same bidness, the son wants to make his own way for a while. McNair is good to his coaching staff, and this is a good situation for him.

If he went with his dad, there would be a bright white spotlight on the nepotism issue when the inevitable bumps in the road happened with the transition. Alex Gibbs was some good cover for the inexperience issue in Houston.
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That's my guess. A lot of times when fathers and sons are in the same bidness, the son wants to make his own way for a while. McNair is good to his coaching staff, and this is a good situation for him.

If he went with his dad, there would be a bright white spotlight on the nepotism issue when the inevitable bumps in the road happened with the transition. Alex Gibbs was some good cover for the inexperience issue in Houston.
My gut is that he's here in 2009 even if Shanny Sr gets a job for 09. But he's gone in '10.
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That's my guess. A lot of times when fathers and sons are in the same bidness, the son wants to make his own way for a while. McNair is good to his coaching staff, and this is a good situation for him.

If he went with his dad, there would be a bright white spotlight on the nepotism issue when the inevitable bumps in the road happened with the transition. Alex Gibbs was some good cover for the inexperience issue in Houston.
Agreed the Gibbs hire helped a lot....

I dont think Jr is going anywhere. at 27/28 he's already an offensive coordinator. And plus i would think that a Kubiak is almost like Uncle Gary in a way being that he's been around him so long. He's gonna be around family regardless.
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How difficult would it be to replace a coordinator who has called all of 1 game? This is still Kubiak's offense, no matter who is the coordinator or play caller.

I found this section of McClain's blog more interesting:

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KUBIAK, SMITH BUSY: While Texans coach Gary Kubiak focuses on hiring a new defensive coordinator, defensive line coach and secondary coach, general manager Rick Smith has to concentrate on the draft, free agency and signing players like cornerback Dunta Robinson and middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans to long-term contracts.
Ryans has a year left on his contract but the Texans plan to sign him to a long-term extension.
Ryans is no surprise. But, I wonder how far along a re-up with Dunta is? I can't see Robinson getting the type of contract last year's free agent corners received. Also, wouldn't the new defensive coordinator want some input as to whether Robinson is the CB he wants?
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Also, wouldn't the new defensive coordinator want some input as to whether Robinson is the CB he wants?
You're joking right? Why wouldn't the future defensive coordinator want the best corner the Texans have?
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When we hired him, he mentioned he didn't want to work with his dad, he wanted to make a name for himself on his own. I don't think he wants to give up the chance to work with Andre Johnson and Steve Slaton to go work with Marc Bulger and Drew Bennett.
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When we hired him, he mentioned he didn't want to work with his dad, he wanted to make a name for himself on his own. I don't think he wants to give up the chance to work with Andre Johnson and Steve Slaton to go work with Marc Bulger and Drew Bennett.
Really, we have nothing to worry about in the short term unless Shanny changes his mind. He said he's not interested in a rebuilding situation, so St. Louis, Cleveland, Detroit, etc, are out. He's already rebuffed NYJ, which to me means the only chance he has to coach in '09 is in Dallas - and I can't IMAGINE that a control freak like Shanny Sr. would coach under that complete and total LUNATIC who runs the Cowboys. Then again - I thought the same thing about Mr. Sunshine (Parcells). Plus - even if Shanny did by some miracle end up in Dallas, I think it would be under the order that Garrett remain the OC.

So anyway - we're worried about nothing (in the short term).

MT - I've heard them both say they want to work together. I think Kyle doesn't want to NOW - but it's still worth discussing... it's probably more of a down-the-road thing.
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Im not too worried about who is calling our plays, our offense is sick either way, it doesnt matter....

I would like to keep him though, just to avoid distraction...
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The only reason Kyle Shanahan might turn down his dad is because he's going to call the plays for Kubiak next season. He wants to follow in his father's footsteps and become a head coach. Calling the plays for the Texans for a couple of years might look better on his resume than working for his father right away.
If he really does want to be a HC, here is the place to do it. If I know Kubiak, he'll let Shanny take care of the offense on gamedays so Kubiak can focus on other things, including the QB play and clock management. If he goes with Daddy Shanny, I don't think he'd have too much control of the offense.
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Oh, forgot to say - one other likely destination for Shanny Sr. IMO would be San Diego. I know the Chargers have said they won't can Norv Turner - but with their offensive weapons - and to have a guy who's a long-time division rival available? Man, I think that would be TOUGH for Shanny Sr. AND the Chargers to pass up.

I mean, I think SD would be well within their rights to can Turner with all the talent they have. They must know the only reason they're even in the playoffs is because of the crap division they're in.
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Kyle will be here for as long as his contract states. Coaches aren't allowed to leave to a different team if it is a lateral move. The only way he gets out is if someone offers him a head coaching gig.
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Oh, forgot to say - one other likely destination for Shanny Sr. IMO would be San Diego. I know the Chargers have said they won't can Norv Turner - but with their offensive weapons - and to have a guy who's a long-time division rival available? Man, I think that would be TOUGH for Shanny Sr. AND the Chargers to pass up.

I mean, I think SD would be well within their rights to can Turner with all the talent they have. They must know the only reason they're even in the playoffs is because of the crap division they're in.
I think Seattle's a place to keep an eye on. Mora's said that his dream job is coaching his alma matter, even though he's slated to take over for Holmgren.
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Kyle will be here for as long as his contract states. Coaches aren't allowed to leave to a different team if it is a lateral move. The only way he gets out is if someone offers him a head coaching gig.
It happens, though. It seems like all the teams have to do is slap the "assistant head coach" tag on the job description, and it gets around the rule (somehow).

Again, not that I think it's going to happen - but that rule has no teeth because of that workaround.
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I agree that Lil' Shanny will eventually coach with his dad, but not yet. Kyle will no doubt call the plays next year for Kubes, and really get a feel for being THE OC. Coaching with Kubes, and having that kind of responsibility, is like being with family anyway. After a couple of more years of success on his own, Kyle will go coach with his dad.
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