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Old 12-31-2008   #21
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to my untrained eye, he looks the best of the DE bunch (including orakpo) by a good bit.. he has moves to go along with his lethal speed. i wouldnt even mind if we had to use a pick to trade up and get him

to those like me that dont watch college fb- heres a 10 min highlight vid that i just saw. killer spin move

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Quite a highlight reel there. I'm interested but I wonder if he'll be around when we pick. I can't imagine he will still be there. On the other hand he'll be a junior and you know how much we love drafting young, developmental players in the first round here in Houston.
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Quite a highlight reel there. I'm interested but I wonder if he'll be around when we pick. I can't imagine he will still be there. On the other hand he'll be a junior and you know how much we love drafting young, developmental players in the first round here in Houston.
Heh. Seems Kubiak and Smith have high esteem in their "eye" for talent.
This pays HUGE dividends, if you really DO have an "eye" for talent. The
last 3 drafts have proven them correct (Zac Diles - 7th Round! Chris Myers
for a 6th Round Pick! Steve Slaton 3rd Round! Xavier Adibi 4th Round!
Antwaun Molden 3rd Round! Demeco Ryans FALLS to the Second Round!)

I haven't seen many BONAFIDE busts in the Smith/Kubiak drafts. People like to say Okoye,
but that's nitpicking. It's OBVIOUS that Okoye has talent, and to me, he's just been
misused.

It seems that their plan is to develop RAW TALENT, and sign them long
term, BEFORE going for adding any high-dollar free agents. This will insure that
you have a competitive team on the field perennially. This is also the
first season where teams no longer can circle the Texans on their schedules
as an "automatic win." It should only get better from here.

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to my untrained eye, he looks the best of the DE bunch (including orakpo) by a good bit.. he has moves to go along with his lethal speed. i wouldnt even mind if we had to use a pick to trade up and get him

to those like me that dont watch college fb- heres a 10 min highlight vid that i just saw. killer spin move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ1...E8642&index=18
Great video I don't watch a whole bunch of college football either but I've seen enough of him to know that I want him. Right now we are listed to pick 15th. When do you think that he will be taken off the board?
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Great video I don't watch a whole bunch of college football either but I've seen enough of him to know that I want him. Right now we are listed to pick 15th. When do you think that he will be taken off the board?
well fwiw, hes only pick #24 on the nfldc mock but i also think he'll rise. alot less impressive guys like michael johnson are ahead of him

he's #11 on walterfootball
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I'm not sold on Brown. I think he's a little light to be an effective NFL pass rusher.

Then again - I don't know where he's expected to be drafted... I certainly wouldn't draft him in the first round, at least not at 15.

Is he a first round prospect?

EDIT - Okay, I see he is a first round prospect. That kind of surprises me.
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well fwiw, hes only pick #24 on the nfldc mock but i also think he'll rise. alot less impressive guys like michael johnson are ahead of him

he's #11 on walterfootball
We may have a shot at him.
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As I was reading some of the posts on TexansTalk, a thought occurred to me. Maybe I've mentioned this before I dunno but what about letting Tim Bulman or Earl Cochran start at DE across from Mario instead of Weaver? From the games Iv'e seen, both Bulman and Cochran played well everytime they went into the game and were able to get to the QB and provide pressure. What do yall' think?
I don't think Bulman or Cochran are "our answer to DE issue" as the title asks, but from your post, I'll agree that I've really liked their play and think they should see the field more.

Re: Everette Brown- best pass rusher in the draft. I think he'll be a pro bowl OLB (maybe his rookie season) on a 3-4 team. I will need to watch more to be convinced he's the right 4-3 RDE for our team. We will really need a NT to let him and Amobi shine. No doubt he's a tremendous player and a 1st round talent in my book.
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Everette Brown to me is a typical florida st. defensive end that don't pan out in the NFL. I think he will be drafted in the late first round but i think that he is Boom/Bust type player that is a risky choice. He is coming from one of the weakest conferences in college football the ACC and I know that you guys will say Mario played in that same conference but I think that Mr. Brown is to Risky at 15.
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What makes Mario so special is that a guy with his speed & overall athletic
prowess is the kinda guy that just dosn't come along very often in the body of a 6'6"-6'7", 280-290 lb man. The only other one like him in the league as I recall is Peppers ? Guys like this are rush ends & still big & strong enough to handle the run.
The point is we may have to simply draft a Brown or a Selvie, even with our first round pick, to get a real edge rusher across from Mario in spite of the fact that he may not be an every down player. More than anything else we
urgently need to get consistant pressure on the QB. That's just how important it is to us. Any doubts ? Just ask Richard Smith.
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Seems to be alot of diversity in opinions of Everette Brown.

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Everette Brown to me is a typical florida st. defensive end that don't pan out in the NFL. I think he will be drafted in the late first round but i think that he is Boom/Bust type player that is a risky choice. He is coming from one of the weakest conferences in college football the ACC and I know that you guys will say Mario played in that same conference but I think that Mr. Brown is to Risky at 15.
I never understood how people can say typical player from so and so school. Doesn't make sense to me. And I beg to differ about the ACC. Look at defensive players taken on the first day in the last couple years and the ACC dominates every conference besides the SEC.

I think you will see Brown drafted in the top half of the first round because every team with a pass rusher will be eyeing him. He can fit the 4-3 RDE role and he is athletic enough to play 3-4 OLB rusher. He even took snaps at DT during passing downs to create mismatches in the last few games this season. He is a very versatile player.

I'd love to grab him because I think he is exactly what we need opposite Mario as our weakside DE.

I think ALOT of you are going to be very suprised once the combine comes around and you get an idea of how strong he really is, because you already know that he is fast.
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After looking at that highlight reel Brown reminds me of another slightly undersized DE with a killer spin move: Dwight Freeney.
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I watched part of the bowl game FSU & Wisc played and I tracked Brown for awhile but really wasn't that wowed ? And I noticed that the final score was like a 4 TD margin by FSU, meaning a lot of passes by a badly trailing Wisc,
and yet 0 sacks ?
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I don't think Bulman or Cochran are "our answer to DE issue" as the title asks, but from your post, I'll agree that I've really liked their play and think they should see the field more.

Re: Everette Brown- best pass rusher in the draft. I think he'll be a pro bowl OLB (maybe his rookie season) on a 3-4 team. I will need to watch more to be convinced he's the right 4-3 RDE for our team. We will really need a NT to let him and Amobi shine. No doubt he's a tremendous player and a 1st round talent in my book.
OMT, I have some of the same concerns as you about Brown being suited to DE in a 4-3, but if we need a "speed" rusher opposite Mario, I think he would be the best choice. He's listed as 6'4" 250, which is a little light, but if you look at Mathis on the Colts, he is listed as 6'2" 245. And, the other top DE's in this draft (Orakpo, Johnson, Selvie, Hardy) are all listed in the 250 to 260 pound range. Just food for thought.

Oh, as far as picking a NT, Raji out of BC, 6'1" 325 lbs, might still be there in the 2nd, or Dorell Scott from Clemson, 6'4" 313 lbs, could be there in the 3rd.
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OMT, I have some of the same concerns as you about Brown being suited to DE in a 4-3, but if we need a "speed" rusher opposite Mario, I think he would be the best choice. He's listed as 6'4" 250, which is a little light, but if you look at Mathis on the Colts, he is listed as 6'2" 245. And, the other top DE's in this draft (Orakpo, Johnson, Selvie, Hardy) are all listed in the 250 to 260 pound range. Just food for thought.
We've been running a different 'style' of defense than Indy, what our 'style' is is anyones guess! LOL. Another thing about the Colts DL is that their starting DT's are both in the 250 - 260 lbs range. That's an awful light DL. In regards to Brown as our RDE, if he's the pick I'll be on board. I think he has more potential than the other DE/OLBs in this draft (save Orakpo). We'll need to build around Brown... but that could be said for ANY defensive end we draft this year. His ability to get to the QB off the edge is the most important factor and he can do that.

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Oh, as far as picking a NT, Raji out of BC, 6'1" 325 lbs, might still be there in the 2nd, or Dorell Scott from Clemson, 6'4" 313 lbs, could be there in the 3rd.
I like Raji a lot but don't think he's going to last till our 2nd rd pick. Depending on the board, I kind of like him with our 1st. Could trade down and maybe get him? I've raised the question before, but depending on how these prospects are "projected", what if we end up trading our 2nd and 3rd rounders to move up to the late first. How would we feel if we got DE Everette Brown and NT BJ Raji spending our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks this year? If they're the right players that our staff likes, this would go a long way to helping our whole defense.

I'm not familiar with Scott, thanks for the heads up and I'll get to reading about him.
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I watched part of the bowl game FSU & Wisc played and I tracked Brown for awhile but really wasn't that wowed ? And I noticed that the final score was like a 4 TD margin by FSU, meaning a lot of passes by a badly trailing Wisc,
and yet 0 sacks ?
You didn't watch hard enough. They barely threw a pass in the first half and only 16 in the game. As soon as we were up by 3 scores in the 4th quarter they dropped back to pass and E Brown sacked the QB, and forced a fumble that was quickly returned by a LB for a touchdown.
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We've been running a different 'style' of defense than Indy, what our 'style' is is anyones guess! LOL. Another thing about the Colts DL is that their starting DT's are both in the 250 - 260 lbs range. That's an awful light DL. In regards to Brown as our RDE, if he's the pick I'll be on board. I think he has more potential than the other DE/OLBs in this draft (save Orakpo). We'll need to build around Brown... but that could be said for ANY defensive end we draft this year. His ability to get to the QB off the edge is the most important factor and he can do that.


I like Raji a lot but don't think he's going to last till our 2nd rd pick. Depending on the board, I kind of like him with our 1st. Could trade down and maybe get him? I've raised the question before, but depending on how these prospects are "projected", what if we end up trading our 2nd and 3rd rounders to move up to the late first. How would we feel if we got DE Everette Brown and NT BJ Raji spending our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks this year? If they're the right players that our staff likes, this would go a long way to helping our whole defense.

I'm not familiar with Scott, thanks for the heads up and I'll get to reading about him.
your much too modest. ole miss has three players all of which I would love to see as Texans. one just happens to play DE Hardy another DT Peria & of course Oher who has zero chance of still being there @ #15. still Hardy in the 1st & Peria in the 2nd would be near ideal
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I sure we will draft a DE and maybe pick one up in free agency. As far as Bulman goes - he may not have the raw talent but no one can question that dude's heart and desire to be on the field. I don't know how many times I have seen him chasing down a play over 10 yards downfield and getting in on the tackle. But like Kubes said in training camp - it's a nice problem to have when you are struggling to cut guys. I just wished some of these guys with all the measurables had as much heart as guys like Bulman.
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You didn't watch hard enough. They barely threw a pass in the first half and only 16 in the game. As soon as we were up by 3 scores in the 4th quarter they dropped back to pass and E Brown sacked the QB, and forced a fumble that was quickly returned by a LB for a touchdown.
If I got that sack stats wrong, please excuse. My source said there were no sacks in that game but apparently it was in error.
And if you're guy is as good as you think he is, I sure hope we get a shot at drafting him in April.
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If I got that sack stats wrong, please excuse. My source said there were no sacks in that game but apparently it was in error.
And if you're guy is as good as you think he is, I sure hope we get a shot at drafting him in April.
I think the Noles got to the Wisconson QB twice, possibly three times. Brown only got to him once.
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to my untrained eye, he looks the best of the DE bunch (including orakpo) by a good bit.. he has moves to go along with his lethal speed. i wouldnt even mind if we had to use a pick to trade up and get him

to those like me that dont watch college fb- heres a 10 min highlight vid that i just saw. killer spin move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ1...E8642&index=18

so is he coming out early or not

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