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Old 12-30-2008   #61
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I dunno was this the key PR move to appease the frustrated fans and avoid
TV blackouts in the '09 season ?

I'd say it's half the battle. HOLY CRAP, I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT. GI Joe says "knowing is half the battle"...I guess actually following through with dumping the dead weight is the other half.

Ease some of the frustration on behalf of the fans...the Texans would sell out next year anyway, avoiding any blackouts.
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so....it looks like we will promote in house since Bush and a few other coaches are still around. Most coordinators want to bring in their own staff.
We should know at 1:30. If they are promoting in house, you'd think they'd announce it then. Though, I suppose Bush could be the fall back plan if the other candidates are too expensive/don't want to be here.

Good observation though.
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We should know at 1:30. If they are promoting in house, you'd think they'd announce it then. Though, I suppose Bush could be the fall back plan if the other candidates are too expensive/don't want to be here.

Good observation though.
We should at least be interviewing from the outside first. At least I hope so.
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I guess Bush is cheaper than considering a genius like Spagnuolo.
Are you talking about the DC for the New York Giants?

After checking the Giants website I see that you are. So with teams looking at him for a Head Coaching position you expect him to make a lateral move to the Texans while still under contract with the Giants?



OK I am sorry I am better now ...



Sorry but this is some funny stuff right here.

Maybe we could get Bill Cowher to coach the Defense.
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I'm tired of arm tackling and watching receivers eat us up. Good move.
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The Texans did the right thing. Thank goodness.

Now, are we looking at Bush being promoted to DC? Does this really give us anything new or exciting? I'm not at all happy with the prospect of promoting from within when our defense was horrible in all facets of the game. I fear more of the same if we settle for an insider. I could be completely wrong though.
I wonder if that was the case, why wouldn't they make that announcement now? Seems to me Bush will get the job only if none of the other guys on their short list are interested/available.
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so....it looks like we will promote in house since Bush and a few other coaches are still around. Most coordinators want to bring in their own staff.
I agree with you, but I am hopeful that it only indicates that they are keeping Bush on board so he can be one candidate in the hiring process.
It would make sense to keep him on board and tell him he will have a fair shot along with whatever external candidates they interview. Maybe he's indicated which of the existing coaches he would retain if he won the job, so they kept them around for now.


grrr. Even as I type this, it reeks of wishful thinking.
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I guess Bush is cheaper than considering a genius like Spagnuolo.
Why in the world would Steve Spagnuolo go from DC of the NYG to DC of the Texans? Money? No chance. Spags will be a head coach in 2009... and even if money WOULD lure him away to stay a DC (which it never would) he would command as much or more money than Kubiak makes. Not going to happen. It has nothing to do with the Texans being cheap.

I'm also guessing Bush is plan B if they don't get the guy the want. I think if he was going to be the new DC, they would have announced it at the same time as Smith's firing.

We'll know more in 30 minutes.
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I think we don't need to assume that Bush will take over. It makes sense that when evaluating coaches you would fire the ones that you know you don't want to keep and you don't fire the ones that performed well. If you bring in an outside DC then he has these guys to choose from in his quest to fill a staff. If he has guys he likes better, you dismiss these guys.

I don't think it says that they are for sure promoting Bush. Of course I could be proven wrong in 30 minutes. But it makes sense to keep them on at this stage. I am certainly a proponent of bringing in a DC that has a proven track record. Thus far Gregg Williams seems to be the best name I've heard come up on this board.

I'm excited that they moved swiftly to take advantange of all the coaching moves that will take place.
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Why in the world would Steve Spagnuolo go from DC of the NYG to DC of the Texans? Money? No chance. Spags will be a head coach in 2009... and even if money WOULD lure him away to stay a DC (which it never would) he would command as much or more money than Kubiak makes. Not going to happen. It has nothing to do with the Texans being cheap.

I'm also guessing Bush is plan B if they don't get the guy the want. I think if he was going to be the new DC, they would have announced it at the same time as Smith's firing.

We'll know more in 30 minutes.
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I wonder if that was the case, why wouldn't they make that announcement now? Seems to me Bush will get the job only if none of the other guys on their short list are interested/available.
Someone else on a previous page suggested that they could be keeping Bush as a backup option in case they don't get who they want as DC. Interesting theory.
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I'm starting to wonder what Bush, Holland and Rhodes did that covinced Smith and Kubiak that they should keep their jobs.

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certainly the worst move would have been to fire everybody and start over. it's not like there are good asst. coaches just laying around watching tv. it's hard to build a solid staff just like it is a roster. this was the smartest move. i just hope they don't give it to Bush with out playing the field.
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I'm starting to wonder what Bush, Holland and Rhodes did that covinced Smith and Kubiak that they should keep their jobs.

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It's hard to say with Bush. As an asst. DC you don't really know what his role was. But with Holland it's easy to say that you saw success in Demeco and great potential in Diles and Adibi so something good is happening there. There technique seemed decent. Unlike the DB's who seemed to be coached poorly with bad angles and poor technique. Rhodes I think is a different situation, I think he brings experience as a HC DC and Asst. to a young staff and more importantly, a young HC in Kubiak. I think he is a confidant to Kubiak on how to be a successful HC on top of a proven defensive knowledge base.
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Great stuff. What perfect timing with all the peeps that are available as well. The other great thing is that we are going to be up there in terms of demand imo. We have key talent pieces in place already and we are an up and coming team in a well run and respected organization. We should def. be up there with getting alot of serious interviews.
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Someone else on a previous page suggested that they could be keeping Bush as a backup option in case they don't get who they want as DC. Interesting theory.
I was one of the ones who thinks that - it's really the only thing that makes sense to me. They would have announced Bush immediately if he was the guy - but at the same time - DCs usually want to bring all their own guys in, so if they are going to get a guy like Williams or Marinelli - Bush and Holland still might not stick around. That would suck, because Holland does a great job IMO.
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I was one of the ones who thinks that - it's really the only thing that makes sense to me. They would have announced Bush immediately if he was the guy - but at the same time - DCs usually want to bring all their own guys in, so if they are going to get a guy like Williams or Marinelli - Bush and Holland still might not stick around. That would suck, because Holland does a great job IMO.
That's cuz you smart. Maybe it will play out that way. Could be that they didn't announce Bush right away because they have to go through some official interview period? I'm not sure what the rules are anymore, especially with the effort to get minorities hired in NFL coaching positions.

I wonder what the timing on this all will be. Firing Smith is a relief, I'm just excited to see what the Texans do now.
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I'm starting to wonder what Bush, Holland and Rhodes did that covinced Smith and Kubiak that they should keep their jobs.

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I think it is more that they didn't do anything to affirmatively lose their jobs.

Smith's defense performed poorly for three years. And he had lost his players.

The Texans were Hoke's only NFL job.

IIRC, Jethro Franklin lost his job with Tampa Bay after the pass rushing stats for the team were really really terrible.

Holland is someone that the linebackers really really like. I understand it was Holland that fought to get DeMeco Ryans in 2006.

I am hoping that Bush is plan B if they can't get someone better.

As for Rhodes, he is an old hand.

I am guessing that they want to keep some guys for continuity and if the new guy doesn't like them for the position they are in, they will get reassigned like Bob Karmelowicz did.

Kubiak was very vague with Rhode's position with the team.
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