So, is Schaub the real deal yet?

[IMA TEXAN]

Originally Posted by Vinny

12 playoff victories and 5 Super Bowls on John Elway QB'd teams. Please give me an estimate of what year it will be when the Texans have done this.

Good grief. So the only reason the Texans haven't done this is because Schaub's arm isn't strong enough. It's even his fault for the years he wasn't here.

I'll say if the Texans have Schaub at QB, a 2000 yard rusher every year, and a one of the top 3 defenses in the league every year - approximately 2015. Only that will include more than 2 Super Bowl wins.

You forgot to mention that Michael Jordan sucks because Bill Russell won 11 championships in 13 years.

[kastofsna]

Originally Posted by IMA TEXAN

While I agree that Elway was great, he didn't win a SuperBowl until Terrell Davis gave him an "elite" running game his last two years.

and Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till his defense stepped up. that's the way it works. no QB wins it all on their own. but what Elway did without a running game is nothing short of remarkable.

[infantrycak]

Wait, hold it, stop the presses. Have we actually made it through 10 posts in which the words Elway, Manning and Schaub have appeared in the same post and some clown hasn't come along and said Schaub is no Elway? Holy crap!

OK carry on.

Oops, back on topic. Of course having a stronger arm is always nice, as are better judgment, better speed, better pocket presence, better accuracy, etc. I think Schaub's combination is good enough to be very good and possibly run a number of years as top 5 in many categories. That is good enough for the Texans to succeed as a team.

[Norg]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

I'm sorry, but your posts always confuse me.

What iam saying is Schaub has not proven himself 2 me

what if we got 7-9 next year then what ..........

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by Norg

What iam saying is Schaub is not proven himself 2 me

what if we got 7-9 next year then what ..........

I believe you make a great point here. What if we got 5-11, then what?

[IlliniJen]

Originally Posted by Norg

What iam saying is Schaub has not proven himself 2 me

what if we got 7-9 next year then what ..........

Then we take a look at the WHOLE package and not just Schaub. Last I checked, we have to field a defense for about 1/2 the time on the field. A QB alone cannot make this team amazing.

[Norg]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

I believe you make a great point here. What if we got 5-11, then what?

Then The talks of Schaub's head will go on all season


Iam pretty sure Dallas is getting pretty tired of romo

why should we be any different

how long will we give Matt 5 years like we gave carr

lets say is 2011 and matt & the texans still have not seen playoffs then what

hes on year 3 times a ticking

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by Norg

Then The talks of Schaub's head will go on all season


Iam pretty sure Dallas is getting pretty tired of romo

why should we be any different

how long will we give Matt 5 years like we gave carr

lets say is 2011 and matt & the texans still have not seen playoffs then what

hes on year 3 times a ticking

It's is second year for us and his is 100x better than Carr! Matt has proven himself. He just needs to work on those fumbles. His interceptions have been cut down since our running game has improved.

[IlliniJen]

Originally Posted by Norg

Then The talks of Schaub's head will go on all season


Iam pretty sure Dallas is getting pretty tired of romo

why should we be any different

how long will we give Matt 5 years like we gave carr

lets say is 2011 and matt & the texans still have not seen playoffs then what

hes on year 3 times a ticking

Hmmmm...difference is that Carr sucks and Schaub doesn't. He doesn't operate in a vacuum - there are folks around him that sink or swim on their own. We can have a great offense, but if our defense gives up the booty, that's NOT on the offense or the QB.

And comparing us to Dallas is not apt since that team is severely dysfunctional in ways we could only hope to be after a weekend meth and hooker binge.

Your thought process both bewilders and amuses me, though.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

His interceptions have been cut down since our running game has improved.

His INT's have gone down since facing two division winners with a combined record of 25 and 7 with 95 sacks and 40 INT's.

[noxiousdog]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

lol Pennington has been one of the best quarterbacks in the league this year, anyone who's watched any handful of Dolphins games would see that. unless you've already formed your opinion about him beforehand, of course.

Pennington has been one of the best in the league for the past decade.... when healthy.

But lets be real, despite the QB rating (which overly rewards accuracy and underrates throwing downfield) the Miami offense was only 21st in points scored. I'm not dropping an 'elite' label on a QB that leads an offense that poor.

[noxiousdog]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I'd put Schaub in the Hasselbeck, Delhomme class of QB...some limitations but a good enough arm to go with a mind quick enough to make important decisions on the fly. These guys can lead teams to the big game and thats all you need out of your QB since the "elite" guy is fairly rare.

I agree 100%.

[Norg]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

It's is second year for us and his is 100x better than Carr! Matt has proven himself. He just needs to work on those fumbles. His interceptions have been cut down since our running game has improved.

iam not comparing him to carr iam just saying how long is it going to take till we go to the playoffs with Matt under the helm ??????

[texanhead08]

We have much bigger holes on this team than QB. I think we can win with Schaub and getting a better defense and better at executing in the red zone will help us realize this goal. Its good to finally see noone calling for Rosencopter to be the starting QB at least.

[Vinnie]

Originally Posted by Norg

iam not comparing him to carr iam just saying how long is it going to take till we go to the playoffs with Matt under the helm ??????

I say next season. With any amount of luck in the post season decision making regarding coaching, draft choices and FA moves, he will. He'll have to have a VY-esque meltdown not to. I don't see that happening.

[V3rm0nt3r]

This offense is rated what? 3rd? Of course he's set in H-Town for at LEAST the next 2 years. Why are we talking about when this guy will be fired? I know as Texans fans we're usually forced to play the cynical card to keep being hurt when our optimism gets thrown into our faces but this team just won 4 of their last 5 games. This offense needs one thing in my opinion for next year and that's a change of pace back to compliment Slaton. That's it. Don't even LOOK at the rest of the offense. Put the effort into the D.

[LonerATO]

Originally Posted by IlliniJen

Hmmmm...difference is that Carr sucks and Schaub doesn't. He doesn't operate in a vacuum - there are folks around him that sink or swim on their own. We can have a great offense, but if our defense gives up the booty, that's NOT on the offense or the QB.

And comparing us to Dallas is not apt since that team is severely dysfunctional in ways we could only hope to be after a weekend meth and hooker binge.

Your thought process both bewilders and amuses me, though.

Texan's offense does its fair share of giving up the booty in turnovers. Hell I think the Texan's lost 3 games this year based off turnovers alone

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by V3rm0nt3r

This offense is rated what? 3rd? Of course he's set in H-Town for at LEAST the next 2 years. Why are we talking about when this guy will be fired? I know as Texans fans we're usually forced to play the cynical card to keep being hurt when our optimism gets thrown into our faces but this team just won 4 of their last 5 games. This offense needs one thing in my opinion for next year and that's a change of pace back to compliment Slaton. That's it. Don't even LOOK at the rest of the offense. Put the effort into the D.

Hell to the mother ****ing yeah.

[michaelm]

Originally Posted by Norg

how long will we give Matt 5 years like we gave carr

This is awesome and funny to me. A riddle that solves itself!

[michaelm]

Originally Posted by Norg

how long will we give Matt 5 years like we gave carr

Oh yeah, I forgot to say that I'm gonna go with 5. Final answer.