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Old 12-29-2008   #21
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Default Re: So, is Schaub the real deal yet?

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His arm strength could be better, obviously. How many times did we see AJ waiting for the ball to get to him?
I'm not a Schaub fan. He is however the closest thing we've had to the answer, so far.
But to make up for that lack of armstrength, he needs to recognize that AJ will be open earlier in his route, so that he can get the ball ahead of him. If he gets his timing down with AJ, and learns to read defenses better, in my mind, then he'll be bonafide.
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That's not a deal breaker for me though, he makes up for it with his ability to spread the ball around.
I'm not seeing this at all. If AJ weren't in the game, we lose. Schaub wins, when AJ gets the ball. A lot. don't get me wrong, that's what AJ is for, but the Raider game showed me, if Schaub can't get the ball to AJ, we're done.
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As far as his turnovers go, it seemed like that slowed down once we found a running game. You're going to throw more interceptions and get more forced fumbles on sacks if you're forced to pass the ball alot, it's just the law of averages.
Turn Overs by a QB, are about holding the ball too long, mis-reading the defense, or not handling pressure very well.

Sage held the ball too long, that's why he kept getting stripped.

Matt is learning to cope with pressure, that's why he get's so many intentional grounding penalties. As soon as he learns to throw that into the stands, or closer to a reciever with no chance of being picked, he'll be okay.


I don't see Matt being in that elite group. I'm not saying that is necessary, especially with what Kubiak is trying to do. This is a system, that David Carr & Sage Rosenfels look pretty dang good in.

And as far as the screaming leader thing goes..... it's cool to see every now and again, but it would be just as nice to see your leader tell the guy who just messed up, "don't worry about that, I got you covered" the way you see Peyton, Farve, and Brady do.
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He has a stronger arm than Pennington, so there goes that argument.
You think Pennington is elite?
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Default Re: So, is Schaub the real deal yet?

Schaub and to some extent Sage have both done a pretty darn good job in helping turn things around for our offense. You have to remember where we came from. We were utterly pathetic and completely inept for 5 years outside of the occassional screen pass to DD or AJ turning 5 yards into 50. Now we have balance, leadership, and we are light years ahead of where we were. I credit Kubes with a lot of that obviously, but I think the QBs have had a lot to do with that as well.

I did read on this thread about someone mentioning Schaub's propensity to get intentional grounding called against him but I think most of those have been Duane Brown getting totally owned and at least he is attempting to avoid the sack. He needs to watch how Peyton does it. No one avoids an inavoidable sack like Peyton. Hopefully they can coach him up on that because it makes all the difference in the word: avoiding sacks/grounding penalties.
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Default Re: So, is Schaub the real deal yet?

Schaub is the real deal because he's better than at least half, if not more, than the rest of the starting QBs in the NFL.

Doesn't mean he is without fault, because he most certainly is not. This tendency of his to throw the ball up for grabs before getting sacked (and getting us a illegal ground call) needs to stop. I could reel off a few more things I don't care for about him, but what's the point? There are teams in the NFL right now that would kill to have our passing game.
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You think Pennington is elite?
This season, yes.
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Default Re: So, is Schaub the real deal yet?

Is Schaub the real deal? I guess that will be the $10M question next year. I'd be more comfortable if he played 14-16 games next season. Yes I know he got injured by cheap shots this year.
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I'm not seeing this at all. If AJ weren't in the game, we lose. Schaub wins, when AJ gets the ball. A lot. don't get me wrong, that's what AJ is for, but the Raider game showed me, if Schaub can't get the ball to AJ, we're done.
Really? It seems to me he gets the ball to OD, Walter, Davis and even Anderson pretty consistantly. No doubt AJ is his favorite target, but he'd be any QB's favorite target like you said. He threw for 255 yards in that game, only 19 to AJ. What that game showed me is if our defense allows itself to be pushed all over the field and we can't get a run game going (especially in the RZ) we lose every time.
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This season, yes.
That doesn't help for personnel decisions in the off season.

Regardless, I'd like to see the argument that labels Pennington as elite.
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I think so. I expect to see his turnovers go down next season. He's shown me he has the potential to be a great QB for this team.
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Default Re: So, is Schaub the real deal yet?

I count 19 QBs that had higher cap hits for their respective teams (Steve McNair was still floating on the Ravens) than Schaub. This year he was the real deal when healthy. Next year he is a $10m hit on our cap and better stay healthy for our sake and Kubiak's.
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Really? It seems to me he gets the ball to OD, Walter, Davis and even Anderson pretty consistantly. No doubt AJ is his favorite target, but he'd be any QB's favorite target like you said. He threw for 255 yards in that game, only 19 to AJ. What that game showed me is if our defense allows itself to be pushed all over the field and we can't get a run game going (especially in the RZ) we lose every time.
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That doesn't help for personnel decisions in the off season.

Regardless, I'd like to see the argument that labels Pennington as elite.
He played better than at least 25 QBs and led his team to the confrence crown. That's elite, ain't it?
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He played better than at least 25 QBs and led his team to the confrence crown. That's elite, ain't it?
The conference crown? You mean division?

No, winning your division doesn't make you elite any more than winning a Super Bowl makes Dilfer elite.

If there is any such thing as an 'elite single season quarterback' it would require being considered for MVP.

It would not be a guy that was 9th in yards and 12th in TDs.
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If there is any such thing as an 'elite single season quarterback' it would require being considered for MVP.
He is being discussed by the national media for MVP.
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Schaub is the guy for now but I think that we need to draft another good QB to compete with him and to push him and it never hurt to have enough good QB's on the team in case one goes down.
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He is being discussed by the national media for MVP.
It wouldn't be the dumbest thing the national media has ever done, but it would be close.
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Nope intill he takes us to the playoffs on a constent basis he will not be the guy for us IMO
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And as far as the screaming leader thing goes..... it's cool to see every now and again, but it would be just as nice to see your leader tell the guy who just messed up, "don't worry about that, I got you covered" the way you see Peyton, Farve, and Brady do.
I completely understand what you're saying...but anytime the Colts are having a bad game, it's a safe bet Peyton will be over there yelling at his offensive line. It happens every time they play bad.
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Default Re: So, is Schaub the real deal yet?

If Schaub can get better protection next year to avoid some of the pounding, continuing development of the run game and hopefully bringing in a bruiser to compliment Slaton, and the continuance of the passing game with AJ, KW, and OD, Schaub will be great next year. Dare I say probowl caliber. He's got all the tools to be a great QB, I think we keep his uniform a little cleaner next year he'll prove it.
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