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Old 12-29-2008   #1
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3 years ought to be enough to get a fair assessment. Here's a list of all the new head coaches of 2006... how do you think they are doing.. or did.

Buffalo Bills Dick Jauron

New York Jets Eric Mangini

Detroit Lions Rod Marinelli

Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy

Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress

Houston Texans Gary Kubiak

New Orleans Saints Sean Peyton

Kansas City Chiefs Herman Edwards

Oakland Raiders Art Shell

St Louis Rams Scott Linehan
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doesn't seem to be any real rhyme or reason to any of these coaches' performances.
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3 years ought to be enough to get a fair assessment. Here's a list of all the new head coaches of 2006... how do you think they are doing.. or did.

Buffalo Bills Dick Jauron

New York Jets Eric Mangini

Detroit Lions Rod Marinelli

Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy

Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress

Houston Texans Gary Kubiak

New Orleans Saints Sean Peyton

Kansas City Chiefs Herman Edwards

Oakland Raiders Art Shell

St Louis Rams Scott Linehan
The only one of this bunch that will have a job in 2 years with the same team is Peyton IMO. I expect Jauron and Edwards to both get the axe this week.
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The only one of this bunch that will have a job in 2 years with the same team is Peyton IMO. I expect Jauron and Edwards to both get the axe this week.
You really don't think Kubiak will be here in 2 years? I am willing to put up an avatar bet that he will.
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You really don't think Kubiak will be here in 2 years? I am willing to put up an avatar bet that he will.
I hope Kubes will be here in two years (and I think it's realistic that he will be), but if I had to pick one, I'd say the guy who went 10-6 and won the division this year is a better bet to stick around than any of them, and the guy who's been 15-17 over the last two years is probably on the shortest rope of the three most likely to be standing going into '09.
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While that may be true, McNair is a better football guy than Benson. Haslett shouldn't have been fired in the first place.
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While that may be true, McNair is a better football guy than Benson. Haslett shouldn't have been fired in the first place.
Haslett's problem was that he hitched his wagon to Aaron Brooks. Great talent, but not very smart.

But, the reason I brought this up, after Mangenius got the axe, I remembered several guys wanting Mangini as our head coach... they pointed at the success of Scott Linehan.... etc...... etc...

Not that Gary has done any better, but y'know.
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The only one of this bunch that will have a job in 2 years with the same team is Peyton IMO. I expect Jauron and Edwards to both get the axe this week.
Peyton had a good 1st year but his teams haven't been anything great the last 2. He only has 5 more wins than Kubes. I still think Kubes has as good or better a chance to stick around longer than 2 more years. JMHO!
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3 years ought to be enough to get a fair assessment. Here's a list of all the new head coaches of 2006... how do you think they are doing.. or did.

Buffalo Bills Dick Jauron

New York Jets Eric Mangini

Detroit Lions Rod Marinelli

Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy

Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress

Houston Texans Gary Kubiak

New Orleans Saints Sean Peyton

Kansas City Chiefs Herman Edwards

Oakland Raiders Art Shell

St Louis Rams Scott Linehan
Jauron in Buffalo is a "dead coach walking".

Mangini got a raw deal in New York but he's better off out of there if they're going to hand Brett the keys to the kingdom.

Marinelli in Detroit was in a no-win situation just like Art Shell was in Oakland.

Mike McCarthy gets fired next year when they again finish under .500 and Brad Childress is going to be the NFC North's version of Jeff Fisher. He'll be there 10 years easy.

Gary Kubiak has done an ok job IMO but of course he needs to turn the corner with this team next year and start winning.

Sean Payton has the same problem Kubiak has. He got his offense in order a lot sooner but he's going to be stuck around .500 until he gets a defense to go with it. At least he's won some so he's not in too bad a shape.

I don't think Herman Edwards is much of a coach personally and I'm surprised he's still employed. Next year they'll either win some games or he's gone. He inherited a 10-6 team and has them at 2-14 now. Not good.

Linehan was just in over his head but then it's not like the Rams are a particularly patient lot so if he was going to work out they weren't going to wait around to see anyway. He's better off out of there like Mangini IMO.
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Haslett's problem was that he hitched his wagon to Aaron Brooks. Great talent, but not very smart.

But, the reason I brought this up, after Mangenius got the axe, I remembered several guys wanting Mangini as our head coach... they pointed at the success of Scott Linehan.... etc...... etc...

Not that Gary has done any better, but y'know.
I was worse...I didn't want Mangini...I wanted Linehan. The thing about Haslett is that he was fired after an 8-8 season without too much talent. The 3-13 season was a direct result of the hurricane. They essentially played 16 road games, including that "home" game at the Meadowlands. It was after that season that Benson finally opened up his checkbook and let Sean Payton build a team.

Also...I liked Aaron Brooks
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Jauron in Buffalo is a "dead coach walking".

Mangini got a raw deal in New York but he's better off out of there if they're going to hand Brett the keys to the kingdom.

Marinelli in Detroit was in a no-win situation just like Art Shell was in Oakland.

Mike McCarthy gets fired next year when they again finish under .500 and Brad Childress is going to be the NFC North's version of Jeff Fisher. He'll be there 10 years easy.

Gary Kubiak has done an ok job IMO but of course he needs to turn the corner with this team next year and start winning.

Sean Payton has the same problem Kubiak has. He got his offense in order a lot sooner but he's going to be stuck around .500 until he gets a defense to go with it. At least he's won some so he's not in too bad a shape.

I don't think Herman Edwards is much of a coach personally and I'm surprised he's still employed. Next year they'll either win some games or he's gone. He inherited a 10-6 team and has them at 2-14 now. Not good.

Linehan was just in over his head but then it's not like the Rams are a particularly patient lot so if he was going to work out they weren't going to wait around to see anyway. He's better off out of there like Mangini IMO.
I think you've gotten Jauron and Edwards flip-flopped.

Buffalo's already come out and said Jauron's going to be back next year, so he may be dead coach walking, but he'll be walking all off-season, and at least part of next year.

On the otherhand the majority of folks in K.C. believe Herm's termination is most likely just waiting on the hiring of a new GM. Once he's in place, the new GM will get the option to either keep Herm or bring in someone new (along the lines of what the Fins did with Parcells and Cam Cameron). The fan base is not going to be a happy one if the new GM stays with Herm (for whatever difference that makes).
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Sean Peyton's "great" first season is VERY achievable when the owner
is willing to spend that kind of money. Hell, it's what the Dolphins are doing
now. However, when you look at teams like the Titans, the Colts, The
Steelers, The Giants, The Patriots, they plant the seeds and nurture them.
These are teams which will be good PERENNIALLY. Isn't that what we
want?

You establish a philosophy. From the philosophy, you establish a system.
Then you draft players which fit your SYSTEM. Look at all he coaches
fired yearly, and the RIDICULOUS money spent on free agents. You
will have a great SEASON, but it's fleeting because you have a team
of mercenaries or players at the end of the line.

I like what Kubiak has done with his philosophy. The system on offense
took 3 years to install, and it will be a force for years. The system on
defense needs a coordinator with a freaking PLAN. Patience wins
repeated opportunities for championships. That's all I ask.
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Sean Peyton's "great" first season is VERY achievable when the owner
is willing to spend that kind of money. Hell, it's what the Dolphins are doing
now. However, when you look at teams like the Titans, the Colts, The
Steelers, The Giants, The Patriots, they plant the seeds and nurture them.
These are teams which will be good PERENNIALLY. Isn't that what we
want?

You establish a philosophy. From the philosophy, you establish a system.
Then you draft players which fit your SYSTEM. Look at all he coaches
fired yearly, and the RIDICULOUS money spent on free agents. You
will have a great SEASON, but it's fleeting because you have a team
of mercenaries or players at the end of the line.

I like what Kubiak has done with his philosophy. The system on offense
took 3 years to install, and it will be a force for years. The system on
defense needs a coordinator with a freaking PLAN. Patience wins
repeated opportunities for championships. That's all I ask.
I'm with you on that one, I get pissed to hear someone call for Kubiak's head even though he's done wonders for the team and the franchise. Everyone expects Bill Walsh out of a 3rd year head coach.
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Sean Peyton's "great" first season is VERY achievable when the owner
is willing to spend that kind of money. Hell, it's what the Dolphins are doing
now. However, when you look at teams like the Titans, the Colts, The
Steelers, The Giants, The Patriots, they plant the seeds and nurture them.
These are teams which will be good PERENNIALLY. Isn't that what we
want?

You establish a philosophy. From the philosophy, you establish a system.
Then you draft players which fit your SYSTEM. Look at all he coaches
fired yearly, and the RIDICULOUS money spent on free agents. You
will have a great SEASON, but it's fleeting because you have a team
of mercenaries or players at the end of the line.

I like what Kubiak has done with his philosophy. The system on offense
took 3 years to install, and it will be a force for years. The system on
defense needs a coordinator with a freaking PLAN. Patience wins
repeated opportunities for championships. That's all I ask.
The biggest thing the Dolphins and Saints did was get consistency a the QB position. In the Saints case they got pro-bowl Caliber consistency and I find this hard to say but Pennington is the best QB in Miami since Marino left. It's the same effect Schaub will have if we keep him upright. I agree on the philosophy and system and how that makes long term success as opposed o one year wonders. I think McNair found the right guy but he's got to shore up the defense before we're going to make it to the next level and beyond. Getting Gibbs and Rhodes were big hires but this next DC will seal Kubiak's fate for better or worse. Hopefully for the better.
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Buffalo Bills Dick Jauron - has the weapons, but no real leadership.

New York Jets Eric Mangini - Same as Jauron.

Detroit Lions Rod Marinelli - FAIL.

Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy - Looked alright until this year.

Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress - I'd say pretty good so far. A bit overhyped.

Houston Texans Gary Kubiak - Same as Childress, except for the hype.

New Orleans Saints Sean Peyton - Just too inconsistent at this point.

Kansas City Chiefs Herman Edwards - Same as Marinara.

Oakland Raiders Art Shell - Ask me again once he coaches somewhere besides Oakland.

St Louis Rams Scott Linehan - Inconsistent on O, poor D.

That's my take on it.
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Sean Peyton's "great" first season is VERY achievable when the owner
is willing to spend that kind of money. Hell, it's what the Dolphins are doing
now. However, when you look at teams like the Titans, the Colts, The
Steelers, The Giants, The Patriots, they plant the seeds and nurture them.
These are teams which will be good PERENNIALLY. Isn't that what we
want?

You establish a philosophy. From the philosophy, you establish a system.
Then you draft players which fit your SYSTEM. Look at all he coaches
fired yearly, and the RIDICULOUS money spent on free agents. You
will have a great SEASON, but it's fleeting because you have a team
of mercenaries or players at the end of the line.

I like what Kubiak has done with his philosophy. The system on offense
took 3 years to install, and it will be a force for years. The system on
defense needs a coordinator with a freaking PLAN. Patience wins
repeated opportunities for championships. That's all I ask.
Great post DexmanC! You hit the nail on the head IMO. Oh, and by the way, I look for Miami to come back down to earth next year like the Saints did after they went 12-4. They had a pretty weak schedule this year and caught a couple of teams by surprise with that "Wildcat" offense (ie. NE). They won't be playing the NFC West and AFC West teams next year.
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3 years ought to be enough to get a fair assessment. Here's a list of all the new head coaches of 2006... how do you think they are doing.. or did.

Buffalo Bills Dick Jauron Fired

New York Jets Eric Mangini Fired

Detroit Lions Rod Marinelli Fired

Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy playoffs

Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress playoffs

Houston Texans Gary Kubiak

New Orleans Saints Sean Peyton Division Championship Game

Kansas City Chiefs Herman Edwards

Oakland Raiders Art Shell Fired

St Louis Rams Scott Linehan Fired

How long does a Head Coach have nowadays??

I'm reading up on the Gruden Firing, looking for some kind of "insight" and I found this.
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Three of the four head coaches in Sunday's conference championship games have two or fewer seasons in tow. Arizona's Ken Whisenhunt and Pittsburgh's Mike Tomlin are in their second years on the job. Baltimore's John Harbaugh is in his first.

Two other rookie coaches -- Atlanta's Mike Smith and Miami's Tony Sparano -- led their teams to playoff berths. Smith did it with a squad that finished 4-12 before he arrived and with a franchise that was stuck in a Bobby Petrino-Michael Vick public-relations fiasco. Sparano did it with a team that had finished 1-15 the previous season.
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I like what Kubiak has done with his philosophy. The system on offense
took 3 years to install, and it will be a force for years. The system on
defense needs a coordinator with a freaking PLAN. Patience wins
repeated opportunities for championships. That's all I ask.
Dexman, this is basically the point I was hoping to see come up. This is where I hope we are with Kubiak, but who knows?? Don't forget, we thought the same thing with our last regime, we "thought" we were on track(maybe we were looking through rose colored spectacles) then in year four, the bottom fell out.

We've got more youth and potential on this team, than we've ever had, hopefully that is a sign of good things to come.

We're now getting the calibre coaching that you couldn't bring to an expansion team, all because of what GK has done with this team, and the stock he has with other coaches around the league.
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The last regime NEVER fielded a squad that looked this good,
and it is STILL improving.

This is why I can say what I said earlier.
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Everyone expects Bill Walsh out of a 3rd year head coach.
Bill Walsh won the Super Bowl in his 3rd season as head coach.
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