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Old 12-29-2008   #121
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Look, I'm no football genius, but even your most random, run-of-the-mill fantasy football player can tell you that Chris Brown is a walking injury. I think taking a risk on one of our backups or practice squad guys would have been more acceptable than bringing in Brown.
And they can also tell you that he's a productive runner when he plays. I know, he helped me dominate my league a few years back. Moreover, many of us fantasy players are familiar enough with Ryan Moats that we don't refer to him as "that Moats guy." Anyone who had Westbrook (and even those who didn't) a few years back knew his name.

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And don't even get me started on Reeves. I honestly don't know how you make it as a CB in this league without turning your damn head to find the ball. All I can say is he seems to be the luckiest son of a ***** because he happens on breaking up passes by some miracle, because lord knows, it's not because he knows where the ball is. I'm sure he probably finds $20 bills lying on the ground all the time and is hit on by beautiful twins with big boobs everywhere he goes.
Reeves is solid. One day you pinata punchers will understand that you're bashing the guy because he doesn't possess that final element (ball-hawking skills) that would make him an elite CB talent. The guy has the speed and quickness to be a solid player if the defensive line gets consistent pressure.
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My point is that giving Kubiak credit for everything that turns out well and excusing everything that turns out bad as "out of his control" is not an evaluation at all. It is more like a product advertisement.
I will take two. Do they come in Battle Red?
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I will take two. Do they come in Battle Red?
I'm sorry sir. We are out of the red pajama bottoms. Would you like just the top?
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No way he is doing a great job we need to get rid of the Def. Coordinator.
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Look, I'm no football genius, but even your most random, run-of-the-mill fantasy football player can tell you that Chris Brown is a walking injury. I think taking a risk on one of our backups or practice squad guys would have been more acceptable than bringing in Brown.

And don't even get me started on Reeves. I honestly don't know how you make it as a CB in this league without turning your damn head to find the ball. All I can say is he seems to be the luckiest son of a ***** because he happens on breaking up passes by some miracle, because lord knows, it's not because he knows where the ball is. I'm sure he probably finds $20 bills lying on the ground all the time and is hit on by beautiful twins with big boobs everywhere he goes.
Hell, I need to follow him around myself.
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On ESPN.com Kubes is in 10th place in the voting for Coach approval, right behind Jeff Fisher.
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My point is that giving Kubiak credit for everything that turns out well and excusing everything that turns out bad as "out of his control" is not an evaluation at all. It is more like a product advertisement.
And my point is, when folks point out the bad signings (I'm surprised no one mentioned R.Colvin - but since we cut him, maybe he doesn't really count) as reasons Smithiak needs to be fired, I can point at just as many diamonds in the rough and bargain basement guys that have been a big part of pulling this team out of suckatude.

Bad signings -
A. Green - good when healthy, just never healthy
C. Brown - see above
J. Reeves (although, given we couldn't afford a top tier guy, and we knew D-Rob was going to be out until at least Halloween, I don't know what else could have been done.)
R. Colvin - didn't fit into our scheme - whatever it might be (I'll go ahead and count him since we paid him a signing bonus - didn't we?)

Good signings
V. Leach - stud FB
K. Walter - solid #2
A. Davis - stepped up big when AJ went down (and to think I almost forgot him)
T. Bulman - gotta love his work ethic and didn't he get the first non-Mario sack from the DL?
D. Robinson (DE) - diamond in the rough. Looks to be a better DT than TJ
E. Wilson - solid FS.
N. Ferguson - probably the most sure tackler on the team this side of DeMeco.
E. Cochran - was coming on real strong until injured
E. Salaam (he was better than what we had - and is still a good guy to spot rest Duane Brown)
A. Maddox - another solid DL guy (I hate he got cut this year)

None of those guys broke the bank and all are solid contributors.
Now if we can upgrade, anywhere, we should. No question.

But Smithiak has assembled a damned good squad without wasting the kind of money that the Raiders or Cowboys or 49ers have over the past 3 years. So to point out a couple of high profile misses without acknowledging all the good finds isn't really fair either.
Its more like having an agenda.
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And my point is, when folks point out the bad signings (I'm surprised no one mentioned R.Colvin - but since we cut him, maybe he doesn't really count) as reasons Smithiak needs to be fired, I can point at just as many diamonds in the rough and bargain basement guys that have been a big part of pulling this team out of suckatude.

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But Smithiak has assembled a damned good squad without wasting the kind of money that the Raiders or Cowboys or 49ers have over the past 3 years. So to point out a couple of high profile misses without acknowledging all the good finds isn't really fair either.
Its more like having an agenda.
I've already posted that I don't think Kubiak should be fired, so that's not my agenda. I just think he's an average coach. Some subjective examples:

Good signings and bad signings have about evened out - average. Even if good signings outweigh bad signings, something else (coaching) counteracted that improvement - still average. Note: I'm not going to accept Hurricane Ike as the reason they lost to the Raiders.

Kubiak built a team that can pile up the yards - but can't score effectively - average.

Kubiak built a great offense - and an equally bad defense - average.

Kubiak motivates his players well - but doesn't have them ready to play several times by his own admission - average.

For all the good things Kubiak has done, he has had misses. That is why the team is 8-8. I don't think it is a "damn good squad". I think they are damned average. Sure they made some talent improvements this year; its just that those improvements were offset by lapses, many of them mental.

The Texas and Kubiak own the improvements as well as the lapses.
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I've already posted that I don't think Kubiak should be fired, so that's not my agenda. I just think he's an average coach. Some subjective examples:

Good signings and bad signings have about evened out - average. Even if good signings outweigh bad signings, something else (coaching) counteracted that improvement - still average. Note: I'm not going to accept Hurricane Ike as the reason they lost to the Raiders.

Kubiak built a team that can pile up the yards - but can't score effectively - average.

Kubiak built a great offense - and an equally bad defense - average.

Kubiak motivates his players well - but doesn't have them ready to play several times by his own admission - average.

For all the good things Kubiak has done, he has had misses. That is why the team is 8-8. I don't think it is a "damn good squad". I think they are damned average. Sure they made some talent improvements this year; its just that those improvements were offset by lapses, many of them mental.

The Texas and Kubiak own the improvements as well as the lapses.
Pretty good way to sum it up.
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I have one question before I cast my "yay" or "nay" in support of Kubiak:

Will Bill Parcells be available next year for our GM position?
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Will Bill Parcells be available next year for our GM position?
Was that tongue and cheek? Parcells wouldn't take it even if it were.
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Was that tongue and cheek? Parcells wouldn't take it even if it were.
yeah, definitely tongue in cheek (as evidenced by my )

I'm just impressed that a 1-15 team can win their division the next season. The best turnaround we've seen is a four win difference (i.e. 2-14 to 6-10), and the best record we've seen is 8-8 while Miami is sporting an 11-5 record this season.

I guess the debate about how much difference can the front office make is officially over. Obviously, it can make a HUGE difference.

That being said, my vote is to keep Kubiak, simply because I don't want another rebuilding process at this point.

I do agree with many of the Kubiak critics and have my own reservations about him as a HC, but I also recognize the huge difference he's made in our offense, as well.

I see both sides of the debate, but the main argument is, to me, about having to endure another rebuilding...unless Mr. Parcells is available, of course.

p.s. He needs to upgrade his DC, though!
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Nah, we don't fire him this year. With all of his mistakes and miscues, he has done some very good things. I think the jury is still out on him being good/great/ok/average/ until after next year. Then we can revisit this conversation.
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IlliniJen knows football, that's what I'm learning from this thread.

She's hitting the nail on the head with every post. The Chris Brown signing was like Altoids: Curiously Strong. Gambling on Steve Slaton was Kubiak's last quarter at a Vegas slot machine, and he hit the jackpot.

The only bad part? He's an injury away from not having a RB again. Which makes Moats or a free agent or a draft pick at RB (again) very important.

8-8 looks great, considering what happened, but this offense without a RB will turn an 8-8 team into a Capers-type of 4-12 or 3-13 team in a hurry.

Nobody needs to think that 8-8 and the multiple winning streaks this season will mean playoffs next year. If Kubiak and Rick Smith make another bobble in judgment on RB this offseason, it'll mean potential headaches galore next season if Slaton misses action.

Defenses will be gunning for Slaton next year. You can bank on it.

Kubiak saved his own bacon with Slaton. He's gotta' do it again. Hope he chooses the right slot machine to put that quarter in...
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The "product" at its molecular level.



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I couldn't give Runner rep for any of his posts in this thread. So I gave some to Texecutioner in the hope that some rep reaches Runner through osmosis.

That's ironic, I couldn't rep you either. I'll rep Texecutioner as well and see what happens. It's his lucky day.
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Reeves is solid. One day you pinata punchers will understand that you're bashing the guy because he doesn't possess that final element (ball-hawking skills) that would make him an elite CB talent. The guy has the speed and quickness to be a solid player if the defensive line gets consistent pressure.


we are paying him 4 mil a year (or bob mcnair)
average salaries
5. Cornerback | $1,193,666

I would expect an above average cb with head turning skills with that kind of jingle in his pocket
unless the money in his pocket is hurting his ability to look for the ball
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...5/11/index.htm

and esp on a CB that is in and out of the lineup like a Cincinnati Bengal at the County Jail
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we are paying him 4 mil a year (or bob mcnair)
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I would expect an above average cb with head turning skills with that kind of jingle in his pocket
unless the money in his pocket is hurting his ability to look for the ball
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...5/11/index.htm

and esp on a CB that is in and out of the lineup like a Cincinnati Bengal at the County Jail
An average salary in the NFL has to be examined in a different light than someone obtained as a FA. That includes every league minimum guy riding the pine on an undrafted contract. Among FA CB's he is not highly paid--middling, but not high at all. We got rid of Glenn four years ago as an aging vet when he was going to get 66% more per year.

By the way, he only counted $1.8 mil on the cap this year.
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An average salary in the NFL has to be examined in a different light than someone obtained as a FA. That includes every league minimum guy riding the pine on an undrafted contract. Among FA CB's he is not highly paid--middling, but not high at all. We got rid of Glenn four years ago as an aging vet when he was going to get 66% more per year.

By the way, he only counted $1.8 mil on the cap this year.
good post, I was in my knee-jerk mode
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I've already posted that I don't think Kubiak should be fired, so that's not my agenda. I just think he's an average coach. Some subjective examples:

Good signings and bad signings have about evened out - average. Even if good signings outweigh bad signings, something else (coaching) counteracted that improvement - still average. Note: I'm not going to accept Hurricane Ike as the reason they lost to the Raiders.

Kubiak built a team that can pile up the yards - but can't score effectively - average.

Kubiak built a great offense - and an equally bad defense - average.

Kubiak motivates his players well - but doesn't have them ready to play several times by his own admission - average.

For all the good things Kubiak has done, he has had misses. That is why the team is 8-8. I don't think it is a "damn good squad". I think they are damned average. Sure they made some talent improvements this year; its just that those improvements were offset by lapses, many of them mental.

The Texas and Kubiak own the improvements as well as the lapses.
They seemed to score pretty good this Sunday. Maybe with Shanny calling plays this will change some and Kubiak can spent his time managing the game better.

He is going to say it is his fault if the team is not ready - even if it is not his fault. With youger guys one has to learn how to get up for the next game and not let the "high" from the previous weeks win make then think they can beat anybody.

I do not think he is perfect or an elite coach - not yet. I think he can become one in the next year or two. He has made mistakes and mental errors, but all coaches have those also. The key to every mistake is to learn from them and not make the same mistake twice.

I saw a lot of improvement this year - not necessarily in the W column but in the play and the intensity of the players out there. A team that did not pack it in or quit or fold when out of the playoffs.

A team that came in and played hard the last game and helped make it possible for the Eagles to have a real reason to crush the Cowgirls.
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